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Can athletic scholarship money be moved from player to player each acamdemic year?

I.E. Softball Suzy gets an 80% athletic scholarship coming out of high school. During her freshman year Softball Suzy doesn't have a good year so coach says "Softbally Suzy your atheltic scholarship in your sophomore year will be reduced to 40%." Which would mean that the other 40% of Softball Suzy's money could go to new recruits or to a player who had a great year.
 
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Hmmm wondering if Cam Newton or Aron Pryor pays a penny for anything? It all depends on the situation.....I know in my daughters case she was offered a certain amount to play softball a certain amount for academic work, a certain amount for work program, all coming up to pretty much full amount......she may have some to come up with but insignificant in the grand scheme of things......I do believe there are plenty of kids who get through college unscathed without any loans of any sort, the athletic scholarship is renewed every year..there is no guarantee that it will be re-newed...so a problem player or a player with a problem parent could cost themselves their scholarship if they do not fit with the coaches objectives and plans. I can't imagine a coach cutting the amount of a scholarship rather I would see them losing the scholarship all together if they have issues.
 
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The problem with full rides is they are never full,not in the way you would think. Your athletic money may give you a full tuition then your Presidential or academic award is given on top, it is up to the college if that money is to be given to pay for meal plans, book, room, and fees. Most of the time the academic money goes against some portion of your athletic money . It is a shell game that colleges play.
They will offer the coach more of that academic money if the roster is stacked. In other words if the coach brings players in for little or no athletic money.
They will offer kids jobs on campus, working bb games or even going to a study hall that has some money benefit that will go against what ever is left your scholarship did not cover and FASFA wont.
If you are promised a full ride during a verbal you had better ask to see the numbers on paper because those numbers will change after the NLI is signed. There are a **** load of fees and deposits that have to be paid that the so called full ride will not cover.
Something else to consider these scholarships are year to year and depending on roster size and how many new players they will bring on that roster the next season your money can change also. If you dont believe me look a the retention of 2 of the top SEC teams Tn and Ga to be exact.
You can call it full , partial or what ever you want just make sure your numbers and theirs jive before you sign on the dotted line.

Tim
 
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Hmmm wondering if Cam Newton or Aron Pryor pays a penny for anything? It all depends on the situation.....I know in my daughters case she was offered a certain amount to play softball a certain amount for academic work, a certain amount for work program, all coming up to pretty much full amount......she may have some to come up with but insignificant in the grand scheme of things......I do believe there are plenty of kids who get through college unscathed without any loans of any sort, the athletic scholarship is renewed every year..there is no guarantee that it will be re-newed...so a problem player or a player with a problem parent could cost themselves their scholarship if they do not fit with the coaches objectives and plans. I can't imagine a coach cutting the amount of a scholarship rather I would see them losing the scholarship all together if they have issues.

I wouldn't consider it a "full ride" if part of it is work program - unless the 'job' is to keep alligators out of the stadium (where there are no alligators) or to water fields that have a fully automated irrigation system. :D
 
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It is what it is...some say tomato........as the old addage goes!
 
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Excellent post Sammy.

I would also add, that the lessons and skills that your daughter needs to/will learn about promoting herself, differentiating herself, interpersonal communication, dilligence, writing skills, follow-up, etiquette, handling adversity, etc... are the same skills she will need/use when she finishes colleage and enters the workforce.

Mike

It might be an excellent post however I can't even read that font so I wouldn't know.:D
 
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Hmmm wondering if Cam Newton or Aron Pryor pays a penny for anything? It all depends on the situation.....I know in my daughters case she was offered a certain amount to play softball a certain amount for academic work, a certain amount for work program, all coming up to pretty much full amount......she may have some to come up with but insignificant in the grand scheme of things......I do believe there are plenty of kids who get through college unscathed without any loans of any sort, the athletic scholarship is renewed every year..there is no guarantee that it will be re-newed...so a problem player or a player with a problem parent could cost themselves their scholarship if they do not fit with the coaches objectives and plans. I can't imagine a coach cutting the amount of a scholarship rather I would see them losing the scholarship all together if they have issues.

Why would there be a problem with a parent......LOL please don't tell me that knucklehead parents would even think of complaining about playing time as if they were addressing a HS AD......please, please tell me that there aren't the same idiot parents out there in college trying to live through their ADULT kids as there are in HS.:lmao:
 
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The problem with full rides is they are never full,not in the way you would think. Your athletic money may give you a full tuition then your Presidential or academic award is given on top, it is up to the college if that money is to be given to pay for meal plans, book, room, and fees. Most of the time the academic money goes against some portion of your athletic money . It is a shell game that colleges play.
They will offer the coach more of that academic money if the roster is stacked. In other words if the coach brings players in for little or no athletic money.
They will offer kids jobs on campus, working bb games or even going to a study hall that has some money benefit that will go against what ever is left your scholarship did not cover and FASFA wont.
If you are promised a full ride during a verbal you had better ask to see the numbers on paper because those numbers will change after the NLI is signed. There are a **** load of fees and deposits that have to be paid that the so called full ride will not cover.
Something else to consider these scholarships are year to year and depending on roster size and how many new players they will bring on that roster the next season your money can change also. If you dont believe me look a the retention of 2 of the top SEC teams Tn and Ga to be exact.
You can call it full , partial or what ever you want just make sure your numbers and theirs jive before you sign on the dotted line.

Tim

thanks Tim

It is good to hear the truth from someone who has been through the process with a daughter who has a lot of talent. Especially when you see posts from people who are delusional and think there are going to get all of their kid's college education paid for from softball
 
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I think we are focusing too much on the money, this is for ladies that want to play at the next level. I am sure several do so at their own cost, others for financial assistance.

All I am hoping for in this thread is getting players and parents info on how to get there and less on whether its 30% or 80%. We can all agree that they are going for the education and should rely on their academics to get them there.

There is a thread started for scholarships.....................many of these posts would be awsome there.:).
 
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I wouldn't consider it a "full ride" if part of it is work program - unless the 'job' is to keep alligators out of the stadium (where there are no alligators) or to water fields that have a fully automated irrigation system. :D

AMEN brotha! A full ride means just that........not paying for or working for anything. Your child gets to concentrate on studies and athletics, not flippin burgers at the campus canteen to make ends meet. If that's happening it's not a full ride and anyone out there can come up with any combination of scenerios as to why their full ride had hidden cost and fees, and the bottom line is that if that's the case then it's not a full ride. Also, "full ride" means 4 years of eligibility. Not year to year, that's provided that the athlete stays healthy and academically eligible.
 
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I think we are focusing too much on the money, this is for ladies that want to play at the next level. I am sure several do so at their own cost, others for financial assistance.

All I am hoping for in this thread is getting players and parents info on how to get there and less on whether its 30% or 80%. We can all agree that they are going for the education and should rely on their academics to get them there.

There is a thread started for scholarships.....................many of these posts would be awsome there.:).

I totally disagree. We should be focusing on money. It's all about education. There is no future for a huge majority of girls in softball after college. Their talent can get them there but at the end of the day it's about coming out with a great education and not be in debt, parent/students when they end up on their own. a friend of mine and I have been talking about this alot lately, and we have had high hopes that both of our dd would end up going D1. Well after alot of dicussion we came to the conclusion that we're not sure if that would be what our dd wanted or just for us to have bragging rights. D1 sports is a JOB. I played D3 college football and talked to another friend of mine that played D1 football at Cinncinnati/FULL RIDE........it was not fun for him. It makes me re-think what I want for my dd. If she gets to play softball in college fine........if not but gets an academic scholorship she's gonna benefit from that alot more than living for softball in college and not getting to enjoy the experience in college as a whole.
 
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. There is no future for a huge majority of girls in softball after college. Their talent can get them there but at the end of the day it's about coming out with a great education

I can't agree more with the fact that these ladies need to get a solid education. Is D1 softball a job, Yes. That doesn't mean you can't get a solid education, it takes a lot of hard work though.

However, This Thread was started for players that want to do it. If you don't than you don't need any of the advice in this thread and are free to persue whatever route you want.
 
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AMEN brotha! A full ride means just that........not paying for or working for anything. Your child gets to concentrate on studies and athletics, not flippin burgers at the campus canteen to make ends meet. If that's happening it's not a full ride and anyone out there can come up with any combination of scenerios as to why their full ride had hidden cost and fees, and the bottom line is that if that's the case then it's not a full ride. Also, "full ride" means 4 years of eligibility. Not year to year, that's provided that the athlete stays healthy and academically eligible.

Nobody gurantees 4 yrs, the NCAA does not allow it.....it is re-newable year to year ......so under your scenario nobody in college sports gets a full ride......I know in our case anyway at the end of the day whatever part of the college experience is paid for I call it a good day......you can color it anyway you like but if you listen to most AD's only 3-5% of HS players go on to play softball for some amount of monetary value.....so if anybody gets anything at all I call it a huge success....if we can get through in four years with less owed than a new car payment I will be a happy camper...:) we will be just beginning the process in August so if it ends up being all doom and gloom we will be sure to post!
 
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@Miamisburg Softball (re your post #14): There is a way that parents can significantly affect the recruiting process: if they "helicopter" or are otherwise obnoxious during the recruitment phase, they may cost their daughters big time. At the last NFCA course we attended, all three Division 1 instructors acknowledged that they had decided either not to extend an offer or to cut a player because the parents were such a problem. (And we've heard other Division 1 coaches say the same thing in other NFCA courses).

It sounds as though you took the proper road and elected to make yourself invisible while your daughter was recruited. You are a wise parent and others should follow your example.
 
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No doubt about it.......it is an honor to get a scholarship to play at the next level.......was at a college camp in Oxford earlier this year and the coaches made it a point to all in attendance that they were recruiting the kids not the parents and they were playing the kids not the parents......didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the message ...not just in the recruitment process but while they are playing....God gave us three holes in our head and I figure since I have two ears and one mouth I should do twice as much listening as talking.....the softball world was kind to us now it is up to her to work hard keep the scholarship and let me sit back and enjoy!
 
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AMEN brotha! A full ride means just that........not paying for or working for anything. Your child gets to concentrate on studies and athletics, not flippin burgers at the campus canteen to make ends meet. If that's happening it's not a full ride and anyone out there can come up with any combination of scenerios as to why their full ride had hidden cost and fees, and the bottom line is that if that's the case then it's not a full ride. Also, "full ride" means 4 years of eligibility. Not year to year, that's provided that the athlete stays healthy and academically eligible.

You really need to read a NLI before you make a statement. It will tell you that the money agreed up on is for her Freshman season. That money will be paid if she is rostered and is academically eligible. If she is rostered and plays part of her freshman season and is red shirted for injuries or academics that money will still be paid. Her sophomore year scholarships are up to the University.If she Isnt what they thought she was or her academics are not up to University standards her scholarship can be adjusted to what they feel is correct.

As far as a kid getting paid by the university for work it happens. and it happens more than you realize. The goal is for the kid to come out of her 4 or 5 year program with her education and that plaque to put on the wall for as little money out of pocket as possible. If she is a good student athlete and helps her team achieve I guarantee you the coaching staff and the AD of said college will find ways to increase her money.


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You really need to read a NLI before you make a statement. It will tell you that the money agreed up on is for her Freshman season. That money will be paid if she is rostered and is academically eligible. If she is rostered and plays part of her freshman season and is red shirted for injuries or academics that money will still be paid. Her sophomore year scholarships are up to the University.If she Isnt what they thought she was or her academics are not up to University standards her scholarship can be adjusted to what they feel is correct.

As far as a kid getting paid by the university for work it happens. and it happens more than you realize. The goal is for the kid to come out of her 4 or 5 year program with her education and that plaque to put on the wall for as little money out of pocket as possible. If she is a good student athlete and helps her team achieve I guarantee you the coaching staff and the AD of said college will find ways to increase her money.


Tim

Tim obviously knows what he is talking about having been through this. In case you don't believe him, read this story about how the football powers over-sign players.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/01/24/oversigning/index.html

The only way they can make this up is to either have players leave or not renew their scholarship. In football they can't split it up since it is a headcount sport (all or nothing).
 

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