ASA Tournament Ohio Classics ASA National Qualifier 16u-18u

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The Ohio Classics are honored to be hosting an ASA National Qualifier for the 16U and 18u age groups. ?

2 pool play games leading to double elimination. ?Pickerington Central and Pickerington North High Schools ?
June 27-29 ?- Games begin as soon as 12 noon on Friday if necessary. ?
go to http://www.ohioclassics.com ?for entry forms and info

classicsrock@hotmail.com
 
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updated list ? - we need to show these Michigan and Illinois teams that they wasted a weekend coming to Ohio for an "easy berth"

updated 6-9

16u Age Group (24 teams) Akron Sapphires - (Ed Bartos) - Ohio
Buckeye Blasters - (Brad Miller) - Ohio
Buckeye Heat - (James Michalak, Rick Bryson) - Ohio
Central Ohio Lady Rebels - (Steve Thomas) - Ohio
Chi-Town Express - Silver - (Mike Bavcevic) - Illinois
Cinci Doom 92 - (Tim Gregory) - Ohio
GCKA Nightmare - (Joe Abbruzzese) - Ohio
Great Lakes Lightning - (Tony Hamann) - Michigan
Hilliard Wildcats - (Kevin Smith) - Ohio
Illinois Bandits - (Andy Pacyga) - Illinois
Illinois Outlaws - (Chuck Shoemake) - Illinois
Michigan Athletics - (Mike Gillette) - Michigan
Mid Ohio Lady Bullets 92 - (Shayne Yeater) - Ohio
Midwest Lakers - (Ed Arbour) - Michigan
OFC Heat - Orange - (Scott Urton) - Ohio
Ohio Classics Black - (David Beckham) Ohio
Ohio Classics Purple - (Carrie Eneix) - Ohio
Ohio Ice - (John Newsome) - Ohio
Ohio Lady Cougars - (Glenn Kimmel) - Ohio
Ohio Stingrays - (Terry Morman) - Ohio
Ohio Swarm - (Regi Adams) - Ohio
Ohio Wolfpack Black - (Chuck Ferrell) - Ohio
Valley Extreme Blue - (Bill White) - Ohio
Vikings Elite - (Dan Taylor) - Ohio


18u Age Group (17 teams)Ashland Blaze - (Shannon Fogle) - Ohio
Central Ohio Ice - (Brian Wamsley) - Ohio
Grand Slam - (Jerry Goodpasture) - Ohio
Heath Crush - (Shaun Phipps) - Ohio
Hillard Wildcats - (Tim Roberts) - Ohio
Lady Devils - (Michael L. Patterson) - Ohio
Miami Valley Xpress - (Jodi Eickemeyer) - Ohio
Ohio Attack - (Tiffany McCoy-Yuehle) - Ohio
Ohio Bandits - (Elliot Thompson) - Ohio
Ohio Classics Black - (Mark Trace) - Ohio
Ohio Ice, Black - (Mike Ashbrook) - Ohio
Ohio Ice - (Jim Sanor) - Ohio
Ohio Maddogs - (Bert Newman) - Ohio
Ohio Stingrays - (Mike Marcum) - Ohio
UA Flash - (Terry Streng) - Ohio
Wizards - (Rich Draeger) - Ohio
Wizards - (Angela Slack) - Michigan
 
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Please put the Nightmare vs Michigan Athletics the 1st pool game
 
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David,
? ? Can you tell me if there is a listing somewhere of all of the ASA National Qualifier Tournaments for 2008? ?I was on www.softball.org and there were only 3 18U and 1 16U tournaments listed and yours was not on either list. ?I assume that all of these qualifiers have been scheduled already, so why doesn't ASA have them all listed?
 
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Swingdr06

I wish I could help you. I have been searching for that information myself. I'm not getting any response from my state reps either. There isn't one in Michigan or WV that we can attend.
 
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I found this on the Michigan ASA website. MI & WI are the Great Lakes Region (Region 8):

2008 ASA
National Qualifying Tournaments

G10UFP $350 4-game guarantee
6/20/2008 ?Niles, MI. ?Deb Carlson (269) 683-0786 2622 Adams Rd., Niles, MI 49120 dzcrew5@aol.com

G12UFP $350 4-game guarantee
5/30/2008 Kalamazoo, MI ?Greg Schultz (269) 484-4689 7939 Percheron, Kalamazoo, MI 49009 tschultz1955@comcast.net

G14UFP $350 4-game guarantee
6/27/2008 Midland, MI Pam O'Laughlin (989) 205-4560 P.O. Box 126, Coleman, MI 48618
laughlin@glccomputers.com

G16UFP $350 4-game guarantee
6/20/2008 Watertown, WI ?Scott Pomerenke (920) 261-9212 N9650 Dewey Rd., Watertown, WI 53094
fish4gold@sbcglobal.net

G18UFP $350 4-game guarantee
A 6/20/2008 N(1) 6/8/2008 Watertown, WI Scott Pomerenke (920) 261-9212 N9650 Dewey Rd., Watertown, WI 53094 ?fish4gold@sbcglobal.net

www.masasoftball.org/ ?The website says 2008 National Qualifying Tournaments, it doesn't say USA/ASA so I'm not sure if it is for the "Big Show". ?I am assuming that it is to the "Big Show" since some are in MI and some are in WI. ?But, there is a point of contact.
 
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This is from the Pennsylvania ASA website. ?PA, WV, Maryland, DC, and VA are the Central Atlantic Region (Region 3).

CAR Qualifier Revision Date: ?01/09/08

June 28 - 29 ?10U A ? CAR National Qualifier in Richmond, VA.
POC: Mike Musgrove 1112 Coolbrook Road, Bedford, Virginia 24523 540-586-8266 blueiceman2@aol.com
1& 2 place to USA, Bloomington, IN, All others to ASA, Salem, Virginia ? ?

June 28 - 29 ?12U A ? CAR National Qualifier in Richmond, VA.
POC: Mike Musgrove 1112 Coolbrook Road, Bedford, Virginia 24523 540-586-8266 blueiceman2@aol.com
1& 2 place to USA, Montgomery, AL, All others to ASA, Salem, Virginia ? ?

June 28 - 29 ?14U A ? CAR National Qualifier in Richmond, VA.
POC: Mike Musgrove 1112 Coolbrook Road, Bedford, Virginia 24523 540-586-8266 blueiceman2@aol.com
1& 2 place to USA, Midland,TX, All others to ASA, Salem, Virginia ? ?

July 13 - 14 ?16U A $400 CAR National Qualifier in Maryland-DC.
POC: Jack Hutcherson 410-758-1806 jocommish@mddc.org
1 & 2 place to USA, Owensboro, KY, All others to ASA, York, Pennsylvania ? ?

June 27 - 29 ?18U A $375 CAR National Qualifier in State College, PA.
POC: Dean Amick 3544 S. Atherton St., State College, PA 16801
Jan Duck (814) 466-7868, (814) 364-9892 softballdean2003@yahoo.com
jrduck@adelphia.net
1& 2 place to USA, Moline, IL, All others to ASA, Salem, Virginia

www.paasa.org/Tourney Pages/08 jotourney.htm
 
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so for 16s and 18s there is nothing within 500 miles of Columbus. Now the Pennsylvania regionals (Region 3) in Maryland get 2 berths. There are more than one reason for it to suck to live in michigan but the fact that there is a great lake between them and their regional tournament must have for some angry coaches. there is no easy way to get to wisconsin from the lower penninsula.

Thanx for the info wva.
btw I updated teams listed above too
 
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David,

You previously stated that you would only be taking up to 16 teams. ?Is this still the cut off number or will you expand that number if more teams are interested. ?You are very close to that number now in the 16U, so I was just curious.


David_Beckham said:
The Ohio Classics are honored to be hosting an ASA National Qualifier for the 16U and 18u age groups. ?

2 pool play games leading to double elimination. ?Pickerington Central and Pickerington North High Schools ?
June 27-29 ?- Games begin as soon as 12 noon on Friday if necessary. ?[highlight]Up to 16 teams in each age group. ?
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go to http://www.ohioclassics.com ?for entry forms and info

classicsrock@hotmail.com
 
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I have been recently informed that I cannot have a cut off on the number of teams allowed in a National Qualifier. - I suppose I better remove that line from the top section.

I guess that leaves all those West Coast teams I've been hearing about, plenty of time to decide whether they are coming out here to snatch our berth or not. Ha.
 
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Found this on Eteamz.....

Re: Qualifying for ASA Nationals ?
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To go to Nationals you will need a berth. ? The berths are typically located:
1 - basically 1 per association. Here we have Wa State ASA Association, and SeaTac Metro ASA Association that have berths. Top 5 associations get 3, next 15 associations get two berths, all associations > 201 teams get 1 berth. 109 total.
2 - Regional berths. Each region get's two berths for teams from that region. 30 total.
1 - National Qualifier berths. Regional at-large berth. Each region get's one berth that is an at-large berth. Teams from other regions can come and compete for this berth. 15 total.
Alaska, Hawaii and Rocky Mountan region are each given a geographical hardship berth.

Berths not associated with geography.
8 - berths at the ASA Hall of Fame qualifier.
1 - Defending Champion
1 - Runner Up
2 - Host Teams

Again this is typical distribution of berths.
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I have sat back and observed and figured, while waiting for the football games today to jump in with both feet, before going further please understand, I am a proponent of playing ASA, and have been involved in ASA Fastpitch for over 30+ years as a player, umpire, and coach. (participating in 14 ASA National Champs as a player, umpire, and coach) I believe playing ASA gives a team it's players and it's coaches an opportunity to see and learn from the best teams and coaches in select fastpitch in the country.

Presently there are 3(three) types of national qualifiers I have seen posted for ASA events. Many of you here are very experienced and likely don't need the information below, but I think there are a number of coaches that are misled and confused by some td's and JO comissioners, and my hope is that they be informed, sorry for the length.

PLEASE remember when I speak of regions our immediate area is divided as follows:

Teams registered thru the Ohio ASA are in Region #9(part of the Eastern zone), which is the state of Ohio with the exception of Cincinnati Metro Association which is part of Region #10(part of the Northern zone) and also includes Indiana, Kentucky, and Illinois. ?

The first and the most competitive, is the ASA "National Qualifier" each region can host one of these in each age division, and has ONE berth available, this type of tournament is open to ANY ASA registered team from anywhere in the USA, as an added bonus the ASA this year has done away with the "travel permit" requirement, which was a waste of time for everyone concerned and simply a hoop to jump thru. The winner of this event unless the region hosting adds additional berths from "their" pool of berths is the only team awarded a berth to the ASA/USA National Championships, this tournament is truly an ASA "National" Qualifier, winner take all.

The next event and not quite as competitive in most cases is the, ASA "Regional National" Qualifier, each region can host one or two tournaments to award the TWO berths they have for these events, ONLY teams from the region that is hosting the event can earn a berth at this event, the berth awarded from this tournament is to the ASA/USA National Championships, these tournaments have done away with what used to be called "regional" tournaments in regions where several states were involved. Normally the top TWO teams in a regional earned berths, the ASA did not increase the number of berths simply gave the opportunity to regions to host more events.

The third and most misleading and candidate for the false advertising award, is when someone advertises an event as an "ASA National" Qualifier, in these events teams are "awarded" berths to the appropriate "ZONE National Championship", yes, I know they don't call them "Zone" Nationals anymore, but the fact remains they have not changed in scope or purpose, only in name, each of the ASA Zones hosts these events in "A" and "B" and dependent on the year and location they are many times more competitive and worthwhile than one of the other "alphabet soup" organizations, PLUS the top two teams from these events earns a berth to the ASA/USA National Championships the following summer, so technically they are the first National Qualifier for the next season. My issue with the way these berths are advertised is that, by code, ANY ASA team that participates in a qualifier in their local association or region can request and be awarded a berth to these Zone Nationals, so the reality is participation earns the berth, I have a problem with groups misleading the unintiated and using these type of events to puff themselves and their events up, IMHO, simply a mention that teams participating will be eligible for the Eastern or Northern National. The other problem I have with designating your run of the mill tournament as a "National Qualifier" is that until the code is changed, a team that wants to play up in a local tournament to prepare itself for the end of the year, can only after participation in this event, play in that age group and ANY players on that team are now ineligible to play in their actual age division, many times at the ASA/USA National Championships I have heard of teams being forfeited out of the event because they had a pickup player that played in a National Qualifier in a higher age group. Sorry for going on but I think it is reprehensible for TD's that put teams and players in this position simply to "puff" up their tournament, ultimately it is simply a manner of collecting more entries, it cost them nothing, again IMHO I believe that TD's and everyone involved has a responsibility to protect players and teams from these types of pitfalls, not subject them to it.

Sorry, in summary, you need to be aware of whether a tournament is actually an ASA NQ, or just a pretender, and also be aware that ASA NQ's MUST be run and administered commensurate with ASA Code, and "technically" EVERY umpire must have a current ASA registration and be properly uniformed, good luck to all, and FYI for some of you that travel outside the state of Ohio:

ASA "NATIONAL" Qualifiers in neighboring states:
12u:
5/30 to 6/1 - Kalamazoo, MI
6/20 to 22 - Bowling Green, KY
14u:
5/30 to 6/1 - Munford, TN
6/6 to 8 - Naperville, IL (Outside Chicago)
6/27 to 29 - Coleman, MI
16u:
6/20 to 22 - Cincinnati
18u:
7/11 to 13 - Indianapolis

Keep checking ?www.softball.org for new torunament posting, thanks to those that have posted info from other regions, it is very helpful, and many times those tournaments are reachable, good luck to all, you cannot make a mistake attending an ASA National Championship event the last week of July, in my experience whether a ZONE National or the "big show" they provide your kids with a great fastpitch learning experience. ?
 
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thanx for the info on this.... does it mean I can take my 16u team to Cinci and win a berth. ?We are from the columbus area.
 
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Yes, absolutely, as long as it is a true "National" qualifier, it's funny, at the younger ages 12/14, we used to always seem to see a California team or two in the midwest when we played, that seems to be not so prevalent, in recent years, but always a possibility.

Several years ago, at 12u we played in NQ Championship, in Kenosha, WI, USA Athletics from Ca(17th), a couple of weeks later we lost in a semifinal at Orland Park to Hot Stuff from Ca(9th),and the next weekend lost in the championship game at Fairborn to the Invasion from CA(49th), just those events made that summer memorable for our girls, in all we played against 11 teams that went to Midland, it was an amazing summer, and the last summer I gave the families a democratic choice in what nationals we attended, it should also be noted this was the last sumer you had to choose, I think ASA moved back a week and everyone else stayed the week before, best move the ASA EVER made, it made it possible for teams to play in 2 nationals if they were so inclined.

Funny how I can remember the details of some of these summers so well and I can't tell you what I had for lunch yesterday!! LOL!!

Good luck with your qualifier our 16's and 18's are headed to Colorado for that weekend, plans were made back in October, I would have suggested they play at the qualifier and then fly out late Sunday, although from experience it makes for an exhausting couple of days, for what it is worth, I would recommend to ANY team that is able to, PLAY in this qualifier, the Classics are a......well.....Classy organization, and I expect this event should pull in some out of state teams serious about earning a berth to Owensboro and Moline......a great combination, good luck Classics.

PS: I have already received one personal note regarding my comments regarding TD's, etc....PLEASE when I write and offer my opinions I write in generalities, I am not calling anyone out or issuing an indictment of any event or person, just an "if the shoe fits" offer of something that over the years has IMHO held back the progress of our great game, without websites like this in which we can offer our opinions, think how many of the great imporvements we have seen in the last 5-6 years would never been brought to the fore......

sorry if I carry on.....I have in the past seen many "GOOD" and knowledgable people become targets for all the wrong reasons here and have remained silent becasue of that, I believe with the monitors on here OFC and most of the "haters" gone or controlled, it is time to get involved, these next few years are going to be amazing for our great game!!
 
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CincyStorm, I for one appreciate educated posts that inform and enlighten. I also enjoy past stories that chronical past seasons, especially when going against west and south ASA powers. Thanks for all the info. :)
 
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updated lists - I've had two teams from Illinois ask about the tourney - get hotel info and then not sign-up. There is still plenty of time for the out of state teams to make a rush on us. Getting some in I think will help our draw for college coaches when I send out invitations to them.
 
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