What NWO HS Players play for out of town Orgs.

default · Mar 3, 2008

Soleprop has a point.....
The reason that the Wizards are not competing in these tournaments is we have not YET fit the criteria to be admitted. We have applied at all of the aforementioned tournaments. I believe that this will change as our teams have more success. The odds of this happening sooner will increase if more of the NWO girls quit running off to Central Ohio. Take no offense to that last statement since everyone has to make a choice. The facts are that many NWO players are playing at the college level.
When we talk about diluting teams, who really is responsible??? Is it girls that go to other parts of the State?? If every girls that drives hours away to play for another program stayed locally, we would also have the "high exposure" teams.
What comes first?? The players staying local or the "exposure teams"??
Again, I have no bones about players going to wherever they want to play. I am just happy that they are playing. I think that the time is coming that more and more will want to stay put because of the quality of the local programs.

default · Mar 3, 2008

What came first the chicken or the egg?

default · Mar 3, 2008

buckeyetml said:
What came first the chicken or the egg?

LOL thats good ;D

default · Mar 3, 2008

Fast, The problem is the majority of NWO teams don't pay outside of NWO. Therefore, if the Wizards want to play in Compuware, Stringrays, Best of the Best, or Sluggerfest, those teams need to play in tournaments other than NWO tournaments. Although there are some good NWO tournaments, teams must have a greater range of tournaments.

default · Mar 3, 2008

Why should I take my team out of the area with the quality of tournaments, and the facilities that we have here? Does it make you a better team if you spend more of the parents money? The teams that travel here come here for the same reason that I stay....Quality Tournament, Excellent facilities, great competition. I have the option to go wherever I want, I choose to stay. Am I shortcutting my players? I personally don't think I am, and I believe that my parents feel the same.

default · Mar 3, 2008

Uncle_Bubba said:
Why should I take my team out of the area with the quality of tournaments, and the facilities that we have here? ?Does it make you a better team if you spend more of the parents money? ?The teams that travel here come here for the same reason that I stay....Quality Tournament, Excellent facilities, great competition. ?I have the option to go wherever I want, I choose to stay. ?Am I shortcutting my players? ?I personally don't think I am, and I believe that my parents feel the same.

that depends UB, do you want to get your kids the most exposure possible to college coaches, or do you just want to play in good tourneys with good facilities?
I am not being a smart a** just saying, There is a nice tourney with college coaches here in town, but if you want to expose your kids to as many college showcases as you can, you can do that regardless of Organization you play for. Its just some Organizations really push their teams to play in these types while some, like the ones in NWO dont really care they just want their teams playing and doing well in the tourneys they are in. They leave it up to the coaches to decide what is best for their teams.

default · Mar 3, 2008

Uncle Bubba,

There is nothing wrong with staying local. If that is what the parents want then that is what a good coach should do. I think there is a big market for this type of team and it's being met very well here in nwo.

The fact remains that if a team choses to stay in nwo the weekends of Compuware, Stingrays, Best of the Best, GAPSS, Loudonville, Sluggerfest, ASA State etc. then they are missing out on potential exposure.

All I'm trying to say is there is a market for these type of parents that is not currently being met in nwo hence all the defections to out of town organizations.

default · Mar 3, 2008

Sole Prop said:
Uncle Bubba,

There is nothing wrong with staying local. ?If that is what the parents want then that is what a good coach should do. ?I think there is a big market for this type of team and it's being met very well here in nwo.

The fact remains that if a team choses to stay in nwo the weekends of Compuware, Stingrays, Best of the Best, GAPSS, Loudonville, Sluggerfest, ASA State etc. then they are missing out on potential exposure. ?

All I'm trying to say is there is a market for these type of parents that is not currently being met in nwo hence all the defections to out of town organizations.

Thats a good way to put it, clearly there is a market. Or there wouldnt be a Buckeye Heat Toledo team on it with 12 kids from NWO, maybe some of these programs can get a few teams that intend to play in as many showcases as possible. I know Lady Irish teams are playing GAPSS and one is playing in Sluggerfest, Also, last year there were a few Irish teams in GAPSS and one was at Sluggerfest. So there are a few teams atleast getting out.

default · Mar 3, 2008

I say let your children decide what organization they would like to play for. How dedicated do they want to be. Also how many tourneys they want to be in. Some teams play in less. If we let our children decide, there may not be all this babble. It is all about the girls...... correct?

default · Mar 3, 2008

catchermom33 said:
I say let your children decide what organization they would like to play for. ?How dedicated do they want to be. ?Also how many tourneys they want to be in. ?Some teams play in less. ?If we let our children decide, ?there may not be all this babble. ?It is all about the girls...... correct?

Catchersmom, that makes far too much sense for that to work. lol

BTW Excellent post

default · Mar 3, 2008

Tournament exposure is only one small part of the recruiting process. If the steps are taken to get a coach familiar with your player, they will see them no matter wher they play. Showcases are a good tool, but the decisions are not made from the bleachers of those tournaments.

default · Mar 3, 2008

Uncle_Bubba said:
Dragbunt, your idea of what is going on is dead wrong. ?The players choose their team, nothing more nothing less.[highlight][/highlight] Just because they have more choices, the competition is diluted? ?

Uber, I said the same thing, how come I did not get a compliment. Is it because I am not "Uncle_bubbaMOM?"

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Fast2Home said:
Soleprop has a point.....
The reason that the Wizards are not competing in these tournaments is we have not YET fit the criteria to be admitted. ?We have applied at all of the aforementioned tournaments. ?I believe that this will change as our teams have more success. ? The odds of this happening sooner will increase if more of the NWO girls quit running off to Central Ohio. ?Take no offense to that last statement since everyone has to make a choice. ?The facts are that many NWO players are playing at the college level. ?
When we talk about diluting teams, who really is responsible??? ?Is it girls that go to other parts of the State?? ?If every girls that drives hours away to play for another program stayed locally, we would also have the "high exposure" teams.
What comes first?? ?The players staying local or the "exposure teams"??
Again, I have no bones about players going to wherever they want to play. ?I am just happy that they are playing. ?I think that the time is coming that more and more will want to stay put because of the quality of the local programs.

I think it starts with the Philosphy of the organization. If the Org. comes out and promotes an Elite team and its purpose than thats where it starts. If you build it it will come.

default · Mar 3, 2008

Uncle_Bubba said:
[quote author=Uncle_Bubba link=1204416465/25#33 date=1204566432]Dragbunt, your idea of what is going on is dead wrong. ?The players choose their team, nothing more nothing less.[highlight][/highlight] Just because they have more choices, the competition is diluted? ?

Uber, I said the same thing, how come I did not get a compliment. ?Is it because I am not "Uncle_bubbaMOM?"[/quote]

Sorry I didnt read yours ;D

So here ya go...."Atta Boy"...Although we disagree on this subject I respect people who do what they feel is best for the kids.

default · Mar 3, 2008

Uncle_Bubba said:
Tournament exposure is only one small part of the recruiting process. ?If the steps are taken to get a coach familiar with your player, they will see them no matter wher they play. ?Showcases are a good tool, but the decisions are not made from the bleachers of those tournaments.

The sole decision is not made there however it has alot to do with it.

I have spoken to D1 coaches about this very subject and let me tell ya they have highly recomended playing Compuware, Stingrays, Best of the Best, GAPSS, Loudonville, Sluggerfest, ASA State etc. as well as the top orgs. that have been mentioned on here. Matter of fact one in pirticular rolled their eyes when asked about the difference between a local org and one of the top org listed on here. They highly recomended playing the top tournaments with the top orgs if you can. They want to see their recurits playing other talent their calibur week in and week out.

default · Mar 3, 2008

dragbunt said:
[quote author=Uncle_Bubba link=1204416465/50#50 date=1204583521]Tournament exposure is only one small part of the recruiting process. ?If the steps are taken to get a coach familiar with your player, they will see them no matter wher they play. ?Showcases are a good tool, but the decisions are not made from the bleachers of those tournaments.

The sole decision is not made there however it has alot to do with it.

I have spoken to D1 coaches about this very subject and let me tell ya they have highly recomended playing Compuware, Stingrays, Best of the Best, GAPSS, Loudonville, Sluggerfest, ASA State etc. as well as the top orgs. that have been mentioned on here. Matter of fact one in pirticular rolled their eyes when asked about the difference between a local org and one of the top org listed on here. They highly recomended playing the top tournaments with the top orgs if you can. They want to see their recurits playing other talent their calibur week in and week out.

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Let me add just one thing to this thread, the College coaches are THERE!!! lol, we know they are there, we know they are gonna be there, so if you want to play college ball it might be good for you to be there too ;D

default · Mar 3, 2008

We don't disagree completely. ?Getting an organization to that level is a process. ?I believe in what is going on here, and I think the proof is in the quality of our HS softball. ?It will continue to get better one girl at a time. ?I will continue to do my part in that. ?I just hope that some will learn to actually seek the truth and not just make blind assumptions.

I acknowledge that the college coaches are there and that it is a great tool, but I said it is only one small part of the process. ?

default · Mar 3, 2008

Uncle_Bubba said:
We don't disagree completely. ?Getting an organization to that level is a process. ?I believe in what is going on here, and I think the proof is in the quality of our HS softball. ?It will continue to get better one girl at a time. ?I will continue to do my part in that. ?I just hope that some will learn to actually seek the truth and not just make blind assumptions.

I acknowledge that the college coaches are there and that it is a great tool, but I said it is only one small part of the process. ?

Well your right Grades are the #1 part of the process, BG's coach wont even look at a kid with below a 3.0, and prefers kids with 3.5's. The reason she said was this, if a kid has a 3.4 and recieves academic monies that money goes against the Softball budget (if we are talking softball that is), but if she has a 3.5 or higher and recieves academic money that doesnt go against the Softball Scholarship monies, leaving her more flexability, that was per The Head coach @ BGSU.

Findlay's caoch said, he has to have kids that have good grades because of the tough academic standards and courses at Findlay, and the fact he doesnt have alot of Softball money and Findlay is a 27k to 32k a year school depending on what your taking.

default · Mar 3, 2008

hmmmmmmm - one of those local orgs you speak of has one team in Loudenville and 3 teams in GAPSS. This is a process - especially for a young org. but all indications show they are on the right track.

default · Mar 4, 2008

College exposure tournaments are great and absolutely should be attended,....HOWEVER, at a recent "College Night" seminar in BG sponsored by the Lady Irish, the coaches in attendance emphasized :
1.) GRADES FIRST (High School)
2.) Fitting the girl with education she wants first.
3.) Making sure the player makes contact with the coach at the schools she's interested in
playing at in the form of phone calls, emails, and also tapes (short ones, 6 -8 minutes)
4.) Sending a list of tournament dates the player will be at.
JUST BEING IN THE TOURNAMENT IS NOT ENOUGH. IF a coach receives 20 letters from
girls that are going to be in the same tournament, that coach is likely to spend time at
those girls games the most.
5.) It's imperative the player and parents do their homework in regards to the school,
campus, coach, positions available, and returning players.

What NWO HS Players play for out of town Orgs.

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