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Is it true that if you qualified for the ASA Eastern Regionals in Virginia for 2009, and you earned this as a 12u team but are going to be a 14u team this summer...you cannot use your berth?
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My understanding is that the berth moves with the coach, and you still retain your bid going from 12U to 14U.
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Thanks.. I couldnt imagine that you qualify and get penalized because you have to move up
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You should have been competing at the correct level anyway - in this case 14U. If you were a 12U for 2008, and will be moving to 14U in 2009, any 2009 qualifier that you will play in or have played in should be at the 14U (or higher) level. The only exception that may exist is that if you qualified based on the results of the 2008 Nationals, and I'd have to check to see if that is even possible (don't believe it is).
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JC70 - Regarding your Danny Almonte comment;
If I understand the "national bid" method correctly this is crazy...
How can a team qualify for next years 09 national event this fall with 2008 players, thus some kids would be ineligible for 09 at that age bracket? Change to 2009 players (correct ages for 2009) and qualify for the national event.
Can someone set me straight or am I just crazy?
Bear - Maybe you can help me on this one.... The above is from another thread that I got little response on... Win a bid in the fall with one set of players (some ineligible for next years team) then the team will play in the national event next year with a number of new players... I would put this in the category of "steeling a bid"... I would like to know your thoughts.
If I understand the "national bid" method correctly this is crazy...
How can a team qualify for next years 09 national event this fall with 2008 players, thus some kids would be ineligible for 09 at that age bracket? Change to 2009 players (correct ages for 2009) and qualify for the national event.
Can someone set me straight or am I just crazy?
Bear - Maybe you can help me on this one.... The above is from another thread that I got little response on... Win a bid in the fall with one set of players (some ineligible for next years team) then the team will play in the national event next year with a number of new players... I would put this in the category of "steeling a bid"... I would like to know your thoughts.
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We were (summer 2008) an OLDER 12u team. All girls have to go up in summer 2009. Had I known we would have played 14u in that tournament. We have 2 teams in each age division in our organization 10-18. So we can all stay together, guess that helps with TRB questions and why we dont have mixed teams
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ASA Eastern Nationals winners win a berth to the following year's (real) Nationals. You're playing in July, in your age group of that summer. They must let you in the following year, even if you move up - can't imagine what else they'd do.
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I left a message for Donn Adante and will get the answer and let you all know. Thanks for responding
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I would think that if you qualified at a 12u age level, that is the level of the berth that you earned. Births are awarded to the tournaments based on attendance (e.g. 1 berth for every 4 teams). If you won a 12u berth and the 14u berth(s) were awarded to the 14u winners, where does the 14u berth for your team come from? Just a thought.
P.S. isn't your roster supposed to be frozen once you accept a Nationals bid? How would that work?
P.S. isn't your roster supposed to be frozen once you accept a Nationals bid? How would that work?
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With seasons running August 1st, 2007 to July 31st, 2008 .... If you won a 12u berth in July, 2008 for a 2009 spot..... some assocaitions have a rule that the berth goes with the coach to the next age level the following year.
If an association has any class... they would allow not only the berth to go with the coach to the 14u level... but if some of those girls stayed at 12u.... the association with any class would also provide a berth for the 2009 12u team/coach of that organization as well.
The roster question is up to each association/state director... but I am sure you can add and delete to fit the situation.
JMHO
If an association has any class... they would allow not only the berth to go with the coach to the 14u level... but if some of those girls stayed at 12u.... the association with any class would also provide a berth for the 2009 12u team/coach of that organization as well.
The roster question is up to each association/state director... but I am sure you can add and delete to fit the situation.
JMHO
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As far as our roster...we have the same 12 girls....we only add or delete if a player gets cut or quits.
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ASA Code 516.H.04
States.....that a qualifying team (first or second place team in a National tournament) can play in its current or succeeding years age classification provided the team has (5) participating players from the previous years roster on the current years roster......
http://downloads.asasoftball.com/about/pdf/asa_code.pdf
States.....that a qualifying team (first or second place team in a National tournament) can play in its current or succeeding years age classification provided the team has (5) participating players from the previous years roster on the current years roster......
http://downloads.asasoftball.com/about/pdf/asa_code.pdf
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Shayne, I always thought that was for placing first or second in ASA USA and perhaps in ASA Easterns, but not for other qualifiers. When I posted a similar question last August or September, the replies indicated that we should be playing 14U fall qualifiers and not 12U, even though we were still eligible to participate in the 12U tournaments.
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I agree with cgs, the ASA code refers to finishing 1st or 2nd in a National championship tournament and not a qualifier. I couldn't find anything that would give a defintive answer. Although, in section 502 & 503 they talk about roster status once you have qualified.
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I misread the initial post and took it that they placed in the ASA Eastern tourney as a 12U. After re-reading it, I'm not to sure what I posted was correct.;& Sorry!!
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Why does ASA and all other sanctions make the way we read the rules so complex??? LOL
This tournament we played in was an ASA qualifier for the Eastern regionals in 2009. This was played in July, so I would not consider this a Fall tournament. To be honest, we just played in this specific tourney because we had the week off before PONY Nationals and wanted to play somewhere close to home before heading to Boardman.
As it played out, it came down to 2 Hurricane teams in the finals. (doesnt everyone hate that) Both 1st and 2nd received bids to Eastern Nationals. I just wanted to know if my girls got to go even though we are a 14u team now. I did email Donn Adante but he out of the office till the 8th. Hopefully he will clarify!
This tournament we played in was an ASA qualifier for the Eastern regionals in 2009. This was played in July, so I would not consider this a Fall tournament. To be honest, we just played in this specific tourney because we had the week off before PONY Nationals and wanted to play somewhere close to home before heading to Boardman.
As it played out, it came down to 2 Hurricane teams in the finals. (doesnt everyone hate that) Both 1st and 2nd received bids to Eastern Nationals. I just wanted to know if my girls got to go even though we are a 14u team now. I did email Donn Adante but he out of the office till the 8th. Hopefully he will clarify!
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Coachnmom:
The "Fall" comment I made earlier in the thread was an October tourney as well as N$A.
In your case.... Why in the world would a a association have a 2009 qualifier in July of 2008...
This thread clearly demonstrates.... There is a need for clarity.
The "Fall" comment I made earlier in the thread was an October tourney as well as N$A.
In your case.... Why in the world would a a association have a 2009 qualifier in July of 2008...
This thread clearly demonstrates.... There is a need for clarity.
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Why in the world would a a association have a 2009 qualifier in July of 2008
Because the 2008 season is already over.The ASA Eastern and ASA Nationals are held the same week - around the last week in July.
Because the 2008 season is already over.The ASA Eastern and ASA Nationals are held the same week - around the last week in July.
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So you are saying it makes sense to have a qualifier for the next year before the current year's national event is even finished?
I've seen a number of people comment "the season is over" post the national event. I commpletely agree. With that in mind, it is my opinion a fall qualifier should be with DD's who are the age bracket for the coming year... not from a roster who's "season is over".
I guess that is why some have comment on why they make an effort to not mix ages on a roster.
I've seen a number of people comment "the season is over" post the national event. I commpletely agree. With that in mind, it is my opinion a fall qualifier should be with DD's who are the age bracket for the coming year... not from a roster who's "season is over".
I guess that is why some have comment on why they make an effort to not mix ages on a roster.
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Our season wasnt over..we still had Nationals the following week. The TD of this tourney obviously had permission to have a Late July Qualifier for 2009. Not a Fall Qualifier..Our season ends right after Nationals each year. Then each age group plays fallball in their nexy tears age groups. My team actually played in fall tourneys as a young 14u team.
My ONLY question was...can we take what we earned and go.
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