November & players moving Or Teams needing players

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Is everyone else seeing more and more posts on various social media platforms for players looking for new teams? Or teams still looking for the "last 2 pieces to join our solid core of returning players"?

Seems that there are more and more players this year that have joined teams in August and are realizing that expectations and promises are not being met and they are moving on.

So many teams looking for the last few pieces as well. And it's not roster padding, it's being at 8 players in Nov in 14, 16 or 18u and need more after limping thru limited fall season.
 
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I guess I'm out of the loop but I personally have not seen any ads. Why isn't there more action on this website? I don't generally look at ads for players and seldom respond unless I see an ad looking for pitching instruction. What am I missing?
 

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I guess I'm out of the loop but I personally have not seen any ads. Why isn't there more action on this website? I don't generally look at ads for players and seldom respond unless I see an ad looking for pitching instruction. What am I missing?
Someone is just looking to stir shit up, I haven’t seen allot of it either.
 

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not on here and not trying to start something about the website. just seeing lots of 'Looking for" type post on other social media platforms and wondered if others noticed as well.
 

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I see it all the time. Not only that, but I have received multiple phone calls ( more than 10) over the last 30 days wanting to know if I had spots open or if I knew anyone that had open spots. Some of these may have been from teams folding or a bad situations but some are from people looking to jump ship instead of getting their kids lessons and making them earn there spot instead of having it given to them. The minute these ones are unhappy they want to find something that they perceive as better. The way people jump around now makes it harder and harder to coach. The coaches that have a kid on the team will continue to coach because they have something invested in coaching the team. I think that you are going to see less and less of non-parent coaches, it’s becoming too big of a headache. ALL COACHES MAKE MISTAKES BUT PARENTS AND COACHES NEED TO LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER, THIS SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT IT TURNING INTO A BAD SITUATION. Instead of doing this, everyone just leaves the team.
 

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Personally I am a Parent who is looking for another team for my daughter. While I disagree with "team hopping" ( my daughter was on a team 2 years prior to this fall's season and would have stayed if it hadn't disbanded), quite often there are other reasons. Which is what the situation is in our case. Are there bad coaches out there, absolutely but there are also players/parents with a sense of self entitlement that make it difficult for Coaches, whether non parent coaches or not. What I see is lack of commitment and loyalty from both sides. And before you judge my last statement on "commitment" my situation has extenuating circumstances and not something I would divulge on social media. Was just trying to ad input from a Parent's perspective. We have been very lucky to have had great coaching but as great as they were, the continuous drama can wear the strongest coaches and team down. Past experience, those players/families move on to the next Team and the whole circle starts over again with the new Team. Agree with the COMMUNICATION statement from Steve 77621, there has to be an open line between coaches/parents/players. I appreciate the 24-hour rule after a game because I know I personally have a little different perspective after having time to think about something that may have upset me.
 

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You can go on FB and see all the post teams looking for those last 1-2 players to complete their already stacked roster...

I get 1-3 calls per week from kids/ parents looking to sub, asking if we have openings, or just wanting to practice with us because their team is not active enough. A lot of great Athletes out there looking for sure.
Theres a TON of new teams out there every year and only so many players to go around.

As Coaches one way to solve the watered down issue is start taking 15-18 players like their HS team. Plus they will be going into college and those rosters float from 18-26 players. some have 30 plus players.
I am guilty of carrying 12 players myself but need to change that next season. It would certainly help them get mentally ready for College ball.

I love my 12 I committed to and for me there's no reason to pick up subs or add new players. We will make it work with the athletes we have. The players/ Parents made a commitment to the team & myself & in return I made a commitment to them.

For some Commitment is tough if they are not getting their way. If they are selfish that's normally when the issues start.
 

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I see it all the time. Not only that, but I have received multiple phone calls ( more than 10) over the last 30 days wanting to know if I had spots open or if I knew anyone that had open spots. Some of these may have been from teams folding or a bad situations but some are from people looking to jump ship instead of getting their kids lessons and making them earn there spot instead of having it given to them. The minute these ones are unhappy they want to find something that they perceive as better. The way people jump around now makes it harder and harder to coach. The coaches that have a kid on the team will continue to coach because they have something invested in coaching the team. I think that you are going to see less and less of non-parent coaches, it’s becoming too big of a headache. ALL COACHES MAKE MISTAKES BUT PARENTS AND COACHES NEED TO LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER, THIS SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT IT TURNING INTO A BAD SITUATION. Instead of doing this, everyone just leaves the team.

I find all the post in this threads interesting on this subject matter. I have quoted steve77621 simply because there are some interesting points shared, some are new points while others are age-old. We've always dealt with disgruntled parents and the "end of the rainbow" seekers. Communication has always been an issue between coaches and families. Expectations in general are always set high while reality in general ends up being the grounding rod for many. What's the answer?

Education is key. We need better coaches and that is generated by adults learning more about the game rather than trying to play the game within the game. I cannot blame the kids. We know they don't know. What I don't understand is why grown-ups willing to take the initiative to start a new team or organization don't do something more to learn the "how's and why's" before taking the leap? I believe there are some adults out there willing to do things of this nature but they want---they expect---others to pay for it. What I'm referring to would be things like the coaching classes offered by NFCA (National Fastpitch Coaches Association) known as the NFCC (National Fastpitch Coaches College) that is an elite program run by the absolute best in the sport. This stuff requires travel and time along with the fees. For those interested, full involvement can literally earn them a Masters Degree in Kinesiology, which is a favorite degree of choice in college coaching ranks. While you may not want the degree, you'll most certainly benefit from the information in the courses and they will welcome you with open arms at whatever level you are coaching. If you want to do this right, don't expect somebody else to pay for it. That's the reality.

If you know more about the game, you can nurture a more positive vibe. That radiates into influencing better assistants that can carry the torch beyond your time and plants the seed for a promising future for your team, your program, your organization, and most importantly the sport in general.

Youth sports in general are floundering due to the lack of commitment from volunteers to put the time and energy out there to make things happen. The "I quit" attitude has evolved. It no longer is isolated at the player or family level. We've become soft. Even as volunteers we have to develop a thicker skin. We have to be able to endure the entitled elements that "just don't get it" and educate them on commitment, loyalty, respect, as well as monetary responsibility. I get so frustrated when I hear of requests for others to donate their time and the first words that surface are "What's it pay?" or "What's in it for me?" We've raised a generation of people that don't know the meaning of "Donate" or "Volunteer" and look at it as a punishment rather than an opportunity.

We need people to give us your time. Quit throwing money at everything! Those lessons in life are being lost because people have lazy minds. We need bodies not bucks. We need people to dedicate their time to go out of their way and learn, then return with knowledge and a grounded perspective on how to communicate-----how to teach.

Now I realize for the most part I am preaching to the choir with this post. I only hope you take the time to see and understand the messages I'm trying to convey. For many that view the posts on OFC, it's your effort to reach out and learn more. There's not enough time to Dr. Phil each and every bruised ego. But we can take our efforts one step further and do more to hone our people skills to educate others. That's going to mean we give up just a little bit more of ourselves.......... That is something not in a playbook.
 

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[QUOTE="

Education is key. We need better coaches and that is generated by adults learning more about the game rather than trying to play the game within the game. I cannot blame the kids. We know they don't know. What I don't understand is why grown-ups willing to take the initiative to start a new team or organization don't do something more to learn the "how's and why's" before taking the leap? I believe there are some adults out there willing to do things of this nature but they want---they expect---others to pay for it. What I'm referring to would be things like the coaching classes offered by NFCA (National Fastpitch Coaches Association) known as the NFCC (National Fastpitch Coaches College) that is an elite program run by the absolute best in the sport. This stuff requires travel and time along with the fees. For those interested, full involvement can literally earn them a Masters Degree in Kinesiology, which is a favorite degree of choice in college coaching ranks. While you may not want the degree, you'll most certainly benefit from the information in the courses and they will welcome you with open arms at whatever level you are coaching. If you want to do this right, don't expect somebody else to pay for it. That's the reality.

If you know more about the game, you can nurture a more positive vibe. That radiates into influencing better assistants that can carry the torch beyond your time and plants the seed for a promising future for your team, your program, your organization, and most importantly the sport in general.


We need people to give us your time. Quit throwing money at everything! Those lessons in life are being lost because people have lazy minds. We need bodies not bucks. We need people to dedicate their time to go out of their way and learn, then return with knowledge and a grounded perspective on how to communicate-----how to teach.

Now I realize for the most part I am preaching to the choir with this post. I only hope you take the time to see and understand the messages I'm trying to convey. For many that view the posts on OFC, it's your effort to reach out and learn more. There's not enough time to Dr. Phil each and every bruised ego. But we can take our efforts one step further and do more to hone our people skills to educate others. That's going to mean we give up just a little bit more of ourselves.......... That is something not in a playbook.[/QUOTE]

BINGO...
Our old organization and now the REDS believe in the need for coaches to attend PD and work as hard on learning how to coach as the expectations on the players to learn how to play. Doing so also helps with educating parents...

8 to 14 are the foundation years where a lot of ladies decide to stop playing by 16 (manly due to poor coaching).

Over the years I have posted many FREE coach training opportunities and would try to educate parents during tryouts on asking critical questions as it relates to coaching experience and certifications. (An area that MANY organizations struggle with to get their coaches to even understand the value of ACE training, joining professional networks like NFCA or NFHS that has many FREE and affordable training resources to keep practice fun and develop skills that are not only the physical skills needed to play at a high level but, the mental and team skills needed to compete).

Improving coaching skills with communication, organization and planning are as as important as the physical skills and drills (I would say more important) that honestly many families chose to seek private instruction in with the physical skills of pitching, catching, hitting etc.
The REDS with the large amount of players are always looking for volunteers that are looking to learn and help grow todays youth through baseball/softball and are willing to offer basic as well as advanced coach training.

Some very good links for coaches, parents and players to check out,
https://nfca.org/
https://www.nfhs.org/
https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Softball/Play-ASA/Youth/ACE-Coach-Education-Program
https://redsyouthacademy.leagueapps.com/camps
https://www.facebook.com/RedsCommunityFund
https://safesporttrained.org/#/public-dashboard
https://youtu.be/Sz-Qm-C4MEo Must see video for parents especially; with the use of social media teams now use to recruit, communicate and share news about teams, players and organization.
 
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Personally I am a Parent who is looking for another team for my daughter. While I disagree with "team hopping" ( my daughter was on a team 2 years prior to this fall's season and would have stayed if it hadn't disbanded), quite often there are other reasons. Which is what the situation is in our case. Are there bad coaches out there, absolutely but there are also players/parents with a sense of self entitlement that make it difficult for Coaches, whether non parent coaches or not. What I see is lack of commitment and loyalty from both sides. And before you judge my last statement on "commitment" my situation has extenuating circumstances and not something I would divulge on social media. Was just trying to ad input from a Parent's perspective. We have been very lucky to have had great coaching but as great as they were, the continuous drama can wear the strongest coaches and team down. Past experience, those players/families move on to the next Team and the whole circle starts over again with the new Team. Agree with the COMMUNICATION statement from Steve 77621, there has to be an open line between coaches/parents/players. I appreciate the 24-hour rule after a game because I know I personally have a little different perspective after having time to think about something that may have upset me.




Our team is looking to add a few players. We had a full roster then the hopping started if ur interested I could give you info
 

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I know my husbands team has been trying to make a full roster sense tryouts. We had a full roster then the hopping started. Like one week we had a full roster then two girls left found two more then one decided not to play. It’s just crazy how commitment doesn’t matter to some.
 

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players leaving to go to another team is entirely different issue than a player looking in the mirror and deciding "I'm done playing sport X." Whatever that sport is. and there are a bunch of life factors that can cause this being done. Parent death, injury, financial, love interest, academic or career plans, etc. None of these are really controlled or influenced by the coach and it's just part of any sport.

Now, players leaving to go to other teams, could be directly related to coach of current team or not. I've seen many players over the years commit to a team in August being sold a bill of goods as to schedule, play time promises, overrall skill of the team, etc, etc, etc.. And it could be deliberate deception from the coach, or not. Very hard to blame a player and expect them to stay when promises and expectations are clearly not being equal footing.

Example, Say player X commits to 16u Chico's bail bonds after being told that the team is solid and will be playing a high level schedule with chances to be seen by college coaches. First couple practices come and go with minimal turn out (9 players, 2 pitchers, 1 catcher), minimal coaching and just overrall bad vibes. And then comes the first tourney date in Sept, and Chico's gets destroyed in a little local, lower level 4 team event. Then they get smashed few weeks later in another smaller event. Big event comes in October and although all 9 available players give it their all, they are not competitive in this event. Now the parent's of Player X, haven't seen coach 1 watching Chico's getting their beatings enroute to the 0-13 fall season, are observing obvious lack of skill of players, and just overrall unhappiness. How is the world can anyone expect Player X to continue on with commitment to this team, when it is obvious to all that they will not being playing a higher level schedule the following summer, do not have the skills to compete and promises made in August, have no chance of being honored??? You don't, Player X, looks around sees other teams winning tourneys, trys out and move on.

Yes, this is a simple ficticious example, but one that happens very often. Or the promise of playing every inning at say SS or C. Sure, player X is playing every inning, but they are losing every game? Do you expect them to stay?

Have not even touched on the daddy / Mommy ball scenerios that seem to arise every year, every age, every org. The head coach that plays DD at SS and she bats 3rd regardless of skill, results, rule breaking or other talent on roster. Again, cannot blame people for seeing "writing on the wall" and making decisions.

The biggest problem that I see is teams that are truly clueless as to their true skill level and classification. They claim to be "Level J" and in reality, they are in no way, shape or form a Level J team. They are really Level J minus 2 steps and that's a stretch. May have never seen a true "Level J" team, have no clue as to what a "level J player or roster looks like, But they won the local "Hittin' Kitten Open tourney last year, so they have to move up to Level J now cause they are really that good. Reality checks really hurt when team rams that wall at full speed.
 

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The biggest problem that I see is teams that are truly clueless as to their true skill level and classification. They claim to be "Level J" and in reality, they are in no way, shape or form a Level J team. They are really Level J minus 2 steps and that's a stretch. May have never seen a true "Level J" team, have no clue as to what a "level J player or roster looks like, But they won the local "Hittin' Kitten Open tourney last year, so they have to move up to Level J now cause they are really that good. Reality checks really hurt when team rams that wall at full speed.

I love when a Player posts on Social Media that they are looking for a "J" level team - then coaches who are Level "P" at best bombard the player with offers...LMAO
I would just love to hear the phone conversation that the Coach has with the parent. Especially when the Coach can't even name any actual Showcase events and has spent the last several years playing in One Umpire events and now think they are ready to face real competition, without a clue...
 

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I love when a Player posts on Social Media that they are looking for a "J" level team - then coaches who are Level "P" at best bombard the player with offers...LMAO
I would just love to hear the phone conversation that the Coach has with the parent. Especially when the Coach can't even name any actual Showcase events and has spent the last several years playing in One Umpire events and now think they are ready to face real competition, without a clue...

That's a whole other realm of crazy, and honest could just be a complete lack of knowing reality of Team skill or lack thereof. (Like I mentioned in last paragraph in above post) Versus a serious struggle with reading comprehension. I honestly read some of those responses and struggle mightily to remain silent and not remind the responding team that the poster indicated higher level than you think you are.

I saw one of these types recently, in a FB group. believe it was an 07 birth year player in Dayton area, looking for high level B or A team, exposure type schedule. And the first person to reply was a coach from a self proclaimed C/ Rec level team. One of those SMH moments and just scroll on past. lol
 

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That's a whole other realm of crazy, and honest could just be a complete lack of knowing reality of Team skill or lack thereof. (Like I mentioned in last paragraph in above post) Versus a serious struggle with reading comprehension. I honestly read some of those responses and struggle mightily to remain silent and not remind the responding team that the poster indicated higher level than you think you are.

I saw one of these types recently, in a FB group. believe it was an 07 birth year player in Dayton area, looking for high level B or A team, exposure type schedule. And the first person to reply was a coach from a self proclaimed C/ Rec level team. One of those SMH moments and just scroll on past. lol
Sad part is, most teams are hard up for at least one position or player. Other than Elite teams, few are truly set to go and are only one quit away and an injury away from imploding.
 

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I find all the post in this threads interesting on this subject matter. I have quoted steve77621 simply because there are some interesting points shared, some are new points while others are age-old. We've always dealt with disgruntled parents and the "end of the rainbow" seekers. Communication has always been an issue between coaches and families. Expectations in general are always set high while reality in general ends up being the grounding rod for many. What's the answer?

Education is key. We need better coaches and that is generated by adults learning more about the game rather than trying to play the game within the game. I cannot blame the kids. We know they don't know. What I don't understand is why grown-ups willing to take the initiative to start a new team or organization don't do something more to learn the "how's and why's" before taking the leap? I believe there are some adults out there willing to do things of this nature but they want---they expect---others to pay for it. What I'm referring to would be things like the coaching classes offered by NFCA (National Fastpitch Coaches Association) known as the NFCC (National Fastpitch Coaches College) that is an elite program run by the absolute best in the sport. This stuff requires travel and time along with the fees. For those interested, full involvement can literally earn them a Masters Degree in Kinesiology, which is a favorite degree of choice in college coaching ranks. While you may not want the degree, you'll most certainly benefit from the information in the courses and they will welcome you with open arms at whatever level you are coaching. If you want to do this right, don't expect somebody else to pay for it. That's the reality.

If you know more about the game, you can nurture a more positive vibe. That radiates into influencing better assistants that can carry the torch beyond your time and plants the seed for a promising future for your team, your program, your organization, and most importantly the sport in general.

Youth sports in general are floundering due to the lack of commitment from volunteers to put the time and energy out there to make things happen. The "I quit" attitude has evolved. It no longer is isolated at the player or family level. We've become soft. Even as volunteers we have to develop a thicker skin. We have to be able to endure the entitled elements that "just don't get it" and educate them on commitment, loyalty, respect, as well as monetary responsibility. I get so frustrated when I hear of requests for others to donate their time and the first words that surface are "What's it pay?" or "What's in it for me?" We've raised a generation of people that don't know the meaning of "Donate" or "Volunteer" and look at it as a punishment rather than an opportunity.

We need people to give us your time. Quit throwing money at everything! Those lessons in life are being lost because people have lazy minds. We need bodies not bucks. We need people to dedicate their time to go out of their way and learn, then return with knowledge and a grounded perspective on how to communicate-----how to teach.

Now I realize for the most part I am preaching to the choir with this post. I only hope you take the time to see and understand the messages I'm trying to convey. For many that view the posts on OFC, it's your effort to reach out and learn more. There's not enough time to Dr. Phil each and every bruised ego. But we can take our efforts one step further and do more to hone our people skills to educate others. That's going to mean we give up just a little bit more of ourselves.......... That is something not in a playbook.

Well said!
 

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