USFA - Will it work in Ohio

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #41

We were seriously considering USFA, but it is too early. We have one nationals to go to (not in Ohio) It would be simply impossible to get my parents to commit to two weeks of nationals. They all have jobs and limited vacation. Unfortunately the real world creeps back into the decision making.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #42

That's interesting Luv. My group is very good and I do hope to make them better with better umpires coming on board every day or two with me. Good umpires like working tournament with other good umpires.. because then the amount of coaches and fans going from one field to another coming to your field with an attitude about the umpiring that they just had last game...lol

I think and hope that is why....lol But, I am tough on my guys about doing their job and knowing the rules... no exceptions... But,I think that is why they laughed when I took on a rookie as my partner two years ago and none of them.

The rookie hustle, he fast , he's on the play and wants to be an umpire. Fit my qualifications for a good umpire and he is getting better every tournament. Now, if I can get him behind the plate...lol.. make me much happier camper. He was a high school catcher so I'm not worried about him staying in there so to say. Got to have a strike zone. Trying to set up some 10u scrimages where he can umpire free ... just to umpire the plate. I don't want to send him out to wolves in a tournament....lol

But, that is indeed interesting that you say that.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #43

USFA Northern Nationals are in Shelbyville and WS is in Panama City

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #44

Ringer.. you can always come to a USFA tournament to play other teams maybe that you haven't seen in Ohio. That is what I hope to do. Draw in the other states surrounding us that was in the same pickle as Static with no points going into a WS.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #45

I think, as a team, you want to play someone different every once in awhile.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #46

Am I having dejavu all over again? Wasn't it just about this time last year that NAFA was proclaimed to be the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel and that finally all of the kids would be the focus of an organization unlike the evil others?

Then that faded into the darkness and the great and wonderful IFA was introduced to all of us. Then it was proclaimed to be the new great and wonderful organization......of course until it was gone in the blink of an eye. Now it's USFA. Well thank God, finally just what we have all been waiting for.

In all seriousness I've always heard that USFA has a nice tournament down in Panama City. Perhaps mainly because it is held in Panama City and the beach is a just few hundred yards away but the comments have always been positive. Is this what makes one of these organizations good? Where the nationals are held (or maybe because they might be held close to Ohio) is that really what makes these good. I'm sure that if the USFA nationals where held in or near Ohio people in Tenn or KY could really care less. People here in Ohio might like it but I'm sure that those in other places (and many in Ohio) would much rather take the drive down I75 and enjoy the nationals in a location where the beach is just a few hundred yards away.

I say stick with a known entity like ASA. They are the standard that others have been trying to match for years. Recently I have seen more teams and organizations go back to them because the circus that surrounds many of these others is just to hard to get their arms around.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #47

Have to agree with Luvthegame. Worst umping this summer was asa, 1 dd did nsa the other asa tourneys. Got to watch both. I am not just saying blown calls but just flat out not knowing the rules. I'm to the point this year I will have the rule book with me.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #48

Ben Budda: I don't really care what you think about anything personally. Never have indeed.. and you can take it to the bank. You always seem to want to be critical of me and I can take it. I'm a big boy.

NAFA would have done well if they wouldn't have been fighting in the board rooms.
They split and some went to IFA. IFA would have done well in Ohio after a couple two or three years with having good TD's running their events... which is what I was shooting for in the first place being orgs run 95% percent of the tournaments in Ohio. Some very good, some good, some not bad and some just flat out terrible.

I work hard for the girls, very hard as a TD to make things fun for them and the parents. I think umpires will make or break a tournament. And from the sound of it... others seem to think that way as well.

I've called all my umpires before I make this decision to find out if they would travel if we had events in Other areas of Ohio and PA, etc.... Out of 32, only one said he couldn't travel very much (newborn) and I don't blame him. I wouldn't as well.

But, if an org from somewhere wants to have a USFA event, then I will supply the umpires to that event. WHY... because umpires can make or break you. I have total confidence in mine.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #49

Kavin (Static): Your in at Goshen (whew).... You got the last weekend of April. Do not post tournament yet as Ricky is giving me a USFA section in the OFC tournament page.

I think I will take the job because Ben... I'm going to do my best to make this org the 2nd best oraganization in Ohio within two or three years. With hard work, good TD's and Orgs and good umpires.... we can await and see.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #50

Gotta go... have some phone calls to make. Have a great day. Be back on tonight.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #51

This has been a fun thread...

Ben - sounds like you and Quaker have some history, but your assessment and timeline was pretty much how I remembered it as well - maybe as Quaker said the 'un-doings' were outside of his control.

Quaker - after reading this my advice would be pick something and stick with it, unfortunately you do come across as a bit of a 'water-bug' when it comes to this topic and others.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #52

It'll be fine Mike. They were out of my control...lol because they was out of control. I have no idea what a water bug is... but sounds like a interesting person to me.. lol

Personally, I think you made a mistake changing your event from 4th of July. Time will tell. At least my teams aren't tired from going from one location to another all weekend. I wish you'd take my advice and go to a place that has 31 ballfields in 3 locations.. all seven miles apart.

Touche'

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #53

Will have to agree with mike, quacker always seems to be on the fence with all his sanctions he supports. Next he will try the Ohio Quacker Sanction, OQS. Im sure he will get some support..

Stick with the umpire job, seems you know a little more about this than running a sanction.. Jmho..

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #54

You just got upset last year because the teams came to Chillicothe Gannon instead of Beavercreek.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #55

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NAFA: Fight almost broke out at National Meeting in Kansas City between two guys over the yearly location of the 18u/16u Nationals in Texas.

IFA: Well, you see where they are right now and now they are fighting in house. over where the 18u/16u National are held. Eastern Regional guy left them, etc....

See a pattern..lol


I told Jeff that I wouldn't take the job until this mess was cleared up.....period.

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Just to make it clear.

IFA is alive in Ohio. The Eastern Region guy is Lou Bishop. There was never any inhouse fighting on the placement of 18u/16u nationals. as a matter of fact the dates are now posted on the national IFA website http://www.ifasoftball.com/ Go check it out. I am the OHIO Director, and I am looking for TD's to run IFA events. if you are interested please call me at 937-215-9888

Jon Allison

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #56

ohioquakerman said:

It'll be fine Mike. They were out of my control...lol because they was out of control. I have no idea what a water bug is... but sounds like a interesting person to me.. lol

Personally, I think you made a mistake changing your event from 4th of July. Time will tell. At least my teams aren't tired from going from one location to another all weekend. I wish you'd take my advice and go to a place that has 31 ballfields in 3 locations.. all seven miles apart.

Touche'

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Waterbug - slang for a person who darts/skates from one thing or idea to the next.

Regarding our decision to switch dates, feedback from coaches, college coaches and registrations already received for GAPSS 2010 would prove otherwise.

As far as the GAPSS location goes, it certainly isn't perfect but it is a community run tournament/fundraiser. And, it is a great source of pride for the 100+ people involved including local businesses who benefit from the thousands of people that visit. There just isn't a need to mess with a good thing - IMHO.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

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ohioquakerman said:

It'll be fine Mike. They were out of my control...lol because they was out of control. I have no idea what a water bug is... but sounds like a interesting person to me.. lol

Personally, I think you made a mistake changing your event from 4th of July. Time will tell. At least my teams aren't tired from going from one location to another all weekend. I wish you'd take my advice and go to a place that has 31 ballfields in 3 locations.. all seven miles apart.

Touche'

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WOW what a way for the head of an organization here in Ohio to treat someone who hosts a tournament of another sanction. I can see where that will go a long ways towards enduring yourself to the many teams and organizations who find Mike to be a nice guy and quality tournament organizer. I see that little has changed from the bombastic and combative ways of last winter. Best of luck.

Mike, keep up the good work and I'm sure that moving to the end of July will serve the tournament well. You made it clear why it was done and one thing is for sure, it was done with a great deal of thought and reason, not a shot from the hip. There's a reason why your tournament is one of the best in the region and thats because everyone has learned they can count on the quality of it. Don't listen to those who make childish comments like " At least my teams aren't tired from going from one location to another all weekend." I have never heard one complaint about your tournaments with regards to that, and I have never heard you refer to your guests as "my teams" as if you have some kind of ownership of them.
My advice would be to refrain from getting into any kind of discussion or explanation with the QM. It will serve no good. Most people on here understand him. I will leave it at that.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #58

ohioquakerman said:

Draw in the other states surrounding us that was in the same pickle as Static with no points going into a WS.

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As I recall, they "granted" all of the Berth at Large teams 200 points which put them in the lower half. Didn't really matter though because they had the brackets out before the 2nd pool play game was played. Some teams didn't even show up till Thursday just to start bracket play.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

• #59

Like I say Ben... nobody cares what you think.

As for Mike, I'm glad for you to move the date. I think others are as well... (see new tournament posts on 4th of July)...

But, it's another thing for a Laser rep to come blast me on here.. when just this past October I ran a Lasers event as a TD (for free), scheduled the games (for free), got the diamonds for them at an unbelievable price, scheduled the umpires for free (instead of the customary $5.00 per game fee charged by others) with comments it was the best run tournament they had ever been.

You run good tournaments... I'll give you that. Silly for ASA to allow you and Mr. Beckham to fight it out on the same weekend actually in Columbus, Ohio.

But, to attack me after doing good for an organization that you are a part of for absolutely nothing.... is uncalled for.

You are welcome 18u Lasers Gold ..... we had a great time helping you and your parents make some money so your travel expenses next Summer isn't so rough on you and your parents.

We loved having you here in Goshen.. a beautiful park, well maintained, easy to get up after a rain ...... because it got drainage in the fields.

I thought IFA State Director was Tommy Voss, Jon ? That is what you told everyone on another thread. I know the reason why.. but I won't say on here.

 

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• Oct 27, 2009

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I'm just learning the point system actually. Going through rule book, etc.... this afternoon.