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That's because you had a 14U playing "Up". Playing Down changes everyone's perspective.
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The umpire behind the plate knew the girl was illegal.
And no, I'm not calling out a team without backing up my claim. The parents of their own team were talking about it. Problem is we won and it didn't matter.....( no need to protest)
I am concerned about the lesson be taught by this organization to it's players is all. I would NEVER let my daughter play for an organization that cheats...
Thats my 2 cents worth....
And no, I'm not calling out a team without backing up my claim. The parents of their own team were talking about it. Problem is we won and it didn't matter.....( no need to protest)
I am concerned about the lesson be taught by this organization to it's players is all. I would NEVER let my daughter play for an organization that cheats...
Thats my 2 cents worth....
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Is there a "rule" about requesting to see birth certificates or is it solely up to the TD? We was at at tournament several years back and there was talk about a team using illegal players... (over age). We talked to the TD about our concerns and had asked if he checked their birth certificates. He said no and that we didn't have the right to ask. Seemed a little odd to me but we played anyway. Since this topic has been brought up..... is there a rule that states any coach can request to see birth certificates or is this just a TD rule?
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Well, your team won and now you know who/what to look for in future tourneys. In regards to what this teaches the DD's: your DD's found out that cheater's never win and theirs found out that it doesn't pay to cheat.
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DD's didn't find out cheaters NEVER win. The cheaters won 1 out of 3 THIS TIME. Maybe next time they do even better. How didn't it not pay to cheat? They got to the champ game. Maybe knocked out early if they didn't cheat. Maybe they got a life lesson in that sometimes you have to go against lowlife/cheaters.
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A tournament Director should check if a coach questions a players age. I have pulled a player to the side and asked them to tell me their birth date quickly and then where they were born. Then check the birth certificate and see if the answers match. Just in case they have Sally using Suzies reords.
If anyone is caught using a player to old for the division played, the coach should be reported to ASA or what ever governing body you are playing.
If anyone is caught using a player to old for the division played, the coach should be reported to ASA or what ever governing body you are playing.
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We carry a copy of our birth certificates everywhere we go. Anyone is welcome to check them anytime they want.
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In my opinion this went beyond fastpitch here, especially when I understand that the coach had a conversation with the player telling her exactly what to do if she were to be questioned. What name to give, what birthdate, etc.
I herd this from 2 other parents on this team who didn't like what they were hearing from this coach. they were so upset by this they wanted to pull their own kids from this team just out of principle.
I hope this team folds and the organization is held accountable for letting this happen
I herd this from 2 other parents on this team who didn't like what they were hearing from this coach. they were so upset by this they wanted to pull their own kids from this team just out of principle.
I hope this team folds and the organization is held accountable for letting this happen
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I thought in ASA if they are rostered at an older age group they can not play down in tournaments only up.
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Did she hand the ump a piece of paper that said " I am 12 " wrapped around a 20 dollar bill?:lmao::lmao::lmao:
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But what if she played under an alias?
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I'd be interested to know how he knew.
Umpires do not get copies of team rosters and they do not personally check I.D.'s or birth certificates. Generally, they have no way to to verify a player is who she says she is or if the player is even on the roster.
Now, there may have been rumors floating around about this player and maybe the umpire heard them. That still doesn't mean that he "knows", 100% certain for a fact, who the player really is or if she is a rostered, eligible player.
An umpire is in a poor position to make an on-the-spot determination about a player's eligibility because he really doesn't have anything to go by. If brought to his attention he may make a note of it, accepting that as an official protest and then continuing the game. He may even get the TD involved before continuing. But the final determination on roster issues rests solely with the TD and until you get him involved there really isn't much that can be done to fix this.
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If you have a player rostered on a 14u team and she plays up on a 16u team even in the same organization she is an illegal player. If everyone is so above board about this then why are they having them use the other players name. Isn't that fraud also?
Check your rule books.
Check your rule books.
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She said "Hi Grandpa/Dad" every time she came to bat...
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:lmao::lmao::lmao:
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The obvious answer is there and nobody is saying it why "how the umpire knew" came into play.
Did the coach of the other team tell him before the game... or did a fan say something to him ... or ?????
I'd almost bet on > ..... OR ??????
Did the coach of the other team tell him before the game... or did a fan say something to him ... or ?????
I'd almost bet on > ..... OR ??????
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I remember hearing back from a coach at a 14U tournament that it raised his suspicions when half the opposing team drove themselves to the game. 
Not sure what rule set your looking at only ASA makes much fuss about rosters and elligibility. Pretty common practice around here to reach down and have a 14U player play up on a 16U or 18U team for a weekend tourney to fill a hole for a player who can't make it. Can't do it at ASA NQ or State Tourney's but for most tourney's no repercussions.
Using a fake name sounds like a lack of ethics. But personally as long as you finish a weekend tourney with the same kids you entered it with and they are all age elligible, I could care less if they came from 5 different teams the weekend before. Play ball.
Not sure what rule set your looking at only ASA makes much fuss about rosters and elligibility. Pretty common practice around here to reach down and have a 14U player play up on a 16U or 18U team for a weekend tourney to fill a hole for a player who can't make it. Can't do it at ASA NQ or State Tourney's but for most tourney's no repercussions.
Using a fake name sounds like a lack of ethics. But personally as long as you finish a weekend tourney with the same kids you entered it with and they are all age elligible, I could care less if they came from 5 different teams the weekend before. Play ball.
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