If there was a E group?

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• Jun 15, 2010

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What is the deal with coaches who enter a tournament knowing they are an A level team and enroll them in the B or C level. If there was an E group they would be in that. I guess I dont mind if the coach just doesnt know if they are good or not but I saw a team at toledo that was one of the most arrogant bunch I think I have ever seen. They hadnt lost a game all season and are in the B bracket taking on 1st year teams. Can you really feel proud doing that?

 

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• Jun 15, 2010

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The question I ask is: Why did the TD allow them in the "B" Bracket?

ASA "B" in Ohio ( not all states) is rec.

USSSA "B" is what it is.

NSA "B" is like USSSA.

 

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• Jun 15, 2010

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Is there a list of the teams played?

 

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• Jun 15, 2010

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It was a USSSA event. I would guess that TD dont often know the quality of a teams before hand. My belief if that if you think your good mix it up with the best teams you can find.

 

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• Jun 15, 2010

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ohioquakerman said:

The question I ask is: Why did the TD allow them in the "B" Bracket?

ASA "B" in Ohio ( not all states) is rec.

USSSA "B" is what it is.

NSA "B" is like USSSA.

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I just had this very conversation with the National Office for A.S.A. And I was told that A.S.A. leaves it up to the individual A.S.A. commissioners to decide who is "B" and who is "A" even though the Rules of A.S.A. State that to be a "B" team all of the players MUST PLAY IN THE SAME LEAGUE. This means you could be playing at Nationals any type of team from anywhere, which I think is completely unfair to any team and the girls that are truly a "B" Class team. If a "B" team that meets the standards for a "B" Class and is winning every tournament then so be it.

But to allow teams that are recruiting from all over the state or many states to a "B" class for Nationals is not right. If you are a "A" team but stink than too bad, the team should not be allowed to move down to the "B" class.."A" teams tend to be more money and bigger committment all year then "B" teams in which most if not all the girls play many sports during the year.

Same is true with this whole thing of teams playing up in age groups at tournaments. So what if they are playing up, and if a 14u team is winning at the 18u level than I would say those 18u teams should think twice about going to nationals.. Or at least A.S.A should reclassify that 14u team to have to play at the BIG SHOW NATIONAL instead of EASTERN "A" NATIONALS..

To A.S.A:
14u is 14u, 12u is 12u, etc. "A" Class is "A" and "B" Class is "B". Stick to the standards you have set..You care to much about the MENS ADULT SLOW PITCH, and could care less about the YOUTH GIRLS FASTPITCH.


SORRY I AM DONE VENTING NOW:yahoo::yahoo:;&

 

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• Jun 15, 2010

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Alright, I need edumicated here. What is the definition of an "A" team versus a "B" team?
Is it strictly on record? How do teams/sanctions classify each team as an "A" or "B"?

 

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• Jun 15, 2010

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I know the team you are talking about. Parents were just as bad. Actually called our girls the "B" (Heard them behind me) word for getting a few hits against them.

I turned around but they all shut up when they realized I heard them.

 

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• Jun 17, 2010

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valley-storm I had not mentioned that aspect but you are right we had the same experience. I have met many great people in softball and enjoy meeting other parents and such but of all the teams and games I have been to this group of parents were were the rudest most disrespectful group I have seen in a long time. I feel bad for their girls really. Sport is supposed to improve character but these girls have clearly got the wrong message.

 

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• Jun 17, 2010

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VALLEY_STORM said:

I know the team you are talking about. Parents were just as bad. Actually called our girls the "B" (Heard them behind me) word for getting a few hits against them.

I turned around but they all shut up when they realized I heard them.

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What team was it?

 

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• Jun 18, 2010

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The above poster is not try to stir the pot ....

:lmao::lmao:

Hope nobody seriously posts the name of the team. Not needed on here.

PM each other or whatever... but not in writing..please. Everybody knows that our standard rule as posters in the OFC.

As a TD, I am interested in knowing the team for "future references"..LOL
PM me....:lmao:

 

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• Jun 18, 2010

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It was the Cincinnati Reds.

 

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• Jun 18, 2010

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I can tell you that it was not MV Xpress. We did not play the Irish Elite. We also were not undefeated going into the tournament nor do we act like that.

 

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• Jun 18, 2010

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In response to not mentioning the team by name- I think every parent and team would like to know the team that behaved this way.
A. I'm sure parents would want to stear clear of the team-tryouts and such
B. "A" teams might enjoy opening up can of whoop a##.

 

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• Jun 18, 2010

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To help narrow it down just go to the usssa web site and see whom all they played. That knocks it down to a fewer teams to guess from.

(Did I type that outloud) LOL!

 

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• Jun 18, 2010

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ohioquakerman said:

The question I ask is: Why did the TD allow them in the "B" Bracket?

ASA "B" in Ohio ( not all states) is rec.

USSSA "B" is what it is.

NSA "B" is like USSSA.

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I love these general statments.

The Ohio teams that made it to the finals in ASA B in Virginia and USSSA B in Indiana last year were very nice teams. To call them rec is a comical.

Our team made a nice run in the NSA B in Peoria a couple years ago. The top 20 teams hit top to bottom. Really good teams
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• Jun 18, 2010

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I understand the whole "A/B" thing, and there's plenty of debate. But it sounds like this post is more about a team that acted poorly and the team/coaches and fans had horrid sportsmanship. My parents come to tons of tournaments but last week my dad remarked about a team, they're as annoying as they are good. I'm seeing that a lot in teams that have some success. Whether the success comes from entering tournaments or "divisions" that they can continue to win, it seems dealing with success can be an issue. When I coached, I was very careful to balance the tournaments we chose. We went to tournaments where we did very well, then we would go to a tournament where we were used to drag the fields! I think coaches and parents need to continue to work on training/teaching kids humility and excellent sportsmanship. I guess with all these teams with a head coach, pitching coach, hitting coach, maybe we should add a parent coach...or add a station during pregame warm-ups for parental sportsmanship!

 

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• Jun 19, 2010

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I was in Toledo last weekend and I think I know which team you're talking about because they were the only team that everyone seemed to be complaining about. I don't know their team name but I think their town name started with an "E".

 

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• Jun 19, 2010

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rcpae - I think that's an EXCELLENT idea. A parent coach - couldn't have said it better myself!

 

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• Jun 20, 2010

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jimjen said:

I love these general statments.

The Ohio teams that made it to the finals in ASA B in Virginia and USSSA B in Indiana last year were very nice teams. To call them rec is a comical.

Our team made a nice run in the NSA B in Peoria a couple years ago. The top 20 teams hit top to bottom. Really good teams
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Glad you love them. ASA Ohio has two divisions "A" and "B". "B" is rec.

Now, in another state (s) ASA has "A", "B" and "C". "C" is rec"

Confusing.

In NSA, there are the three divisions. Notice it a lot in Kentucky having three separate division type of events.

"B" division should be for team that a) haven't won a tournament and b) not finished in the top five.

Problem is nobody watches out for it as state directors, etc... to make sure this is the way it is done. And thus, you have "A" teams jumping in the "B" division.

It was just talked about that a certain team was playing in a "B" event and how people was wondering how this could be. Sluggerfest comes to mind.

The answer is: Nobody is watching the store and classifying teams "A" or "B". States list everybody out as an "A" team and leave it to tournament director to sort if they choose to have an "A" and "B" event at their tournament.

I'd like to see more tournaments go that way.. "A" and "B"... but TD don't want to be placed in the deciding factor of the matter. Which they shouldn't be in the first place.