$occer style format for Fastpitch????

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A cube mate of mine has a DD who is on an elite Socker team. She has a full ride to Indiana to play said activity. They are at a big tournament this week in Beavercreek somewhere. The format is similar to the worldcup format. They have three pool games and they must "make it out of their pool" to advance to the "knockout" round (i.e. single elimination). I ask if he was fine with that format and he looked at me like, "Is there any other way??" With as much grief as TDs get for softball formats, what would the sentiment be like if someone posted a tournament on here with that format. I guess the Gold/Silver/Bronze format that Beavercreek uses would be the closest but I don't know any tournament that sends teams home if they don't make it out of their pool. Socker folks are 100% cool with this fact of life.
 
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It would definately make you rethink how you approach pool play. Doesn't the world cup also use the top 2 seeds from each pool?
 
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Back in the day, I ran many boys baseball tournaments. We had between $125 & $150 entry fees and the formats were strictly double elimination only. We regularly attracted 45-50 teams in 10U-16U fields.

Brackets were kept strictly based on team strength, i.e. division, travel, all-star or rec. Teams were welcomed to play up in division but not allowed to play down. If unknown teams entered and dominated the competition, they were sent on their way. No refunds were given due to the weather and there were no complaints because the fees were so low. Ahhh, those were the days.
 
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brownsfan said:
It would definately make you rethink how you approach pool play. Doesn't the world cup also use the top 2 seeds from each pool?
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Yeah, same format, They had pools of four teams. Top two went to elimination play.
 
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I think U-trip runs this kind of format, almost...you play your pool games, and if you win enough you are in the upper tier bracket, lose and it puts you in the lower bracket..i think Ricky does his tourneys the same way..winners go to Gold bracket, something like that..could you imagine ASA like that? the winner's bracket games would be barn-burners!
 
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edgeoo said:
Back in the day, I ran many boys baseball tournaments. We had between $125 & $150 entry fees and the formats were strictly double elimination only. We regularly attracted 45-50 teams in 10U-16U fields.

Brackets were kept strictly based on team strength, i.e. division, travel, all-star or rec. Teams were welcomed to play up in division but not allowed to play down. If unknown teams entered and dominated the competition, they were sent on their way. No refunds were given due to the weather and there were no complaints because the fees were so low. Ahhh, those were the days.
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Alot of upper mens slow pitch tournies were double elim only, hence the saying....

"2 and a bbq"
 
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Baseball tournaments are played this way and it really stinks. if you lose the first game then you are almost guaranteed to not be advancing. I hate it. Like this weekend at Reach For the Starzz 16u our team had a bad pool play we went 1 and 3, but made it to the championship game only to play a team from our pool that also made it.
 
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What has always made the good ol' USA great is the fact that "we don't dance to no one elses tune" - especially when it comes to rules and formats of Communist sports. :yahoo:

We do it OUR WAY BABY!!!
 
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hmmm- in some softball tournaments, the pools don't seemed to be evenly "stacked" if you know what I mean (but I personally like it when my dd plays in a "tough" pool because I love watching good softball all weekend) so at first glance, this "knockout" format might not be the best format for softball BUT the Gold, Silver, Bronze label would definitely alleviate some of these concerns. I wonder if tournaments would get enough teams to have a Gold, Silver and Bronze division in each age group?

good post Ringer- I'm curious what others have to say.
 
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fan, but unless a TD is into the "know", how can they realistically scatter strong teams in pools? no one knows for sure how good some teams are. You might get a weak pool one weekend, a strong one the next. Just think how making the pools for the Stingray tourney? oh my, i wouldn't know where to put them all. Even for Compuware, how can you really tell? I would almost have to imagine a rating system where records go into a database and you bring your record with you from tourney to tourney, but that would also mean having either the same sanctioning body host tourneys, or award points for wins in ASA v USSSA, etc...that would be one fried system!
 
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Statman Ray said:
fan, but unless a TD is into the "know", how can they realistically scatter strong teams in pools? no one knows for sure how good some teams are. You might get a weak pool one weekend, a strong one the next. Just think how making the pools for the Stingray tourney? oh my, i wouldn't know where to put them all. Even for Compuware, how can you really tell? I would almost have to imagine a rating system where records go into a database and you bring your record with you from tourney to tourney, but that would also mean having either the same sanctioning body host tourneys, or award points for wins in ASA v USSSA, etc...that would be one fried system!
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Agree to some extent....definitely could not do this for the bigger tournaments where all of the competition is strong (the invitation onlys, Compuware etc).
 
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We must be trend-setters because that is the format for the GAPSS 16u/18u. 4 pool games at scheduled times for college coaches, then top 3 in each pool of 5 teams advance to the championship round (single elimination).
 
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It would be nice if there was only one governing body like volleyball who keeps track of every team in the OVR and ranks them 1 to how ever many teams there are. That way every tournament has it's pools seeded based on ranking and then they are properly seeded with strong and weak teams. Why can't the ASA/NSA rank the teams on a continuous basis after every weekend's tournament like USA volleyball does? ASA/NSA/Pony/USSSA needs to get their act together like volleyball in my opinion!
 
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The only thing I like about most of the $ocker tourney formats is the scoring for pool play.
3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie and 0 points for a loss.
It gets rid of alot of the headaches associated with the seedings.
 
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Sammy said:
What has always made the good ol' USA great is the fact that "we don't dance to no one elses tune" - especially when it comes to rules and formats of Communist sports. :yahoo:

We do it OUR WAY BABY!!!
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Yeah, and our way ensures really great teams face really poor teams 3-4 times every tournament. Sounds like switzerland to me.

I'm down with this format in which everyone is playing at their challenge level after pool play. Why waste everyone's time with 12-1 run rules until Semis.

The rest of the world focus' on QUALITY, EFFICIENCIES, and BANG for the BUCK, while Americans tend to ignorantly wade thru waste.
 
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One of the Colorado tournaments over the 4th of July has in the past done the "Gold, Silver, Bronze" thing for placement into brackets. It almost has to do that, since it admits virtually everyone into the tournament. This tournament, the Sparkler, is now partnering with the more exclusive Fireworks tournament and it will be nteresting to see if the Sparkler portion changes its approach
 
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What would you think about a 4 game PP - 1:20min, no new in. Followed by top 4 playing single elimination? 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3. I kinda like it.
 
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Doug Lenos said:
What would you think about a 4 game PP - 1:20min, no new in. Followed by top 4 playing single elimination? 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3. I kinda like it.
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What if we added a $100 re-buy, where if you were bumped in pool play you could buy your way back into the bracket, but start the first game at a 1-0 deficit. But doubles would be wild, and if you hit a double, you would get two extra bases on the next hit in the same inning?

I for one am tired of carrying my $100 bill "protest fee" cash around, and want to spend it on something productive.
 
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