10 Seconds to deliver the Pitch???

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Has anyone run into an over zealous ump calling out your pitcher for taking longer than 10 Sec. to deliver the next pitch once the ball is received?

My dd HS team was scrimmaging earlier this week and the ump was giving her greif about the 10 sec rule. Why was is reduced from 20 sec and why make an issue of it in a pre-season scrimmage.

 

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It was especially an issue since she was breaking in a new catcher. Catcher was allowed to call the game, but had no idea what she was doing. LoL

DD shook her off several times and I think the ump took acception since it was so darn COLD. Needless to say it was not a good experience and miffed my dd just a little. LoL She is spending the next week teaching the catcher how to call a proper game.

Either way, 10 seconds isn't very much time even if you and your cathcer are on the same page. It just doesn't make much sense since HS games are not usually time limited like travel are.

 

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Are you sure it was reduced from 20 seconds to 10 seconds? I haven't heard of this change.

 

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me either

 

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Are you sure it was reduced from 20 seconds to 10 seconds? I haven't heard of this change.

DD HS head varsity coach questioned it as well, looked it up and said it was indeed the rule. I did not see it myself, but the coach said he read the rule.

 

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There was no rule change. It's still 20 seconds, just as it has been for years.

It's 10 seconds for the batter to get set in the box. Maybe that's what this umpire was thinking of.

 

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I hope so, but my dd coach said he read it.

 

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Hmmm...I wonder if, "I looked it up", is anything like, "The check's in the mail"...

Tell your coach next time to look up 6-2-3.

 

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thanks Bretman... as always... point on... you are the official rule book and you keep me from reading that book time after time:lmao::cap:

 

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HS rule - Section 6, Art 1 (c)

After completing “b” above, the pitcher shall bring the hands together in
front of the body for not less than one second and not more than 10 seconds
before releasing the ball. The hands may be motionless or moving.


Don't know if this is any different from last year, just now reading up on all their rules to see what's different between their rules and travel.

Just to comment on the amount of time, I've actually seen girls take almost all of the 20 seconds (travel) and it is a killer. The batter is standing there waiting, waiting, losing concentration. It doesn't seem like a lot of time but if you waiting on something 20 seconds is an eternity!

 

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Hmmm...I wonder if, "I looked it up", is anything like, "The check's in the mail"...

Tell your coach next time to look up 6-2-3.

I sent him an email asking for a reference of where he read this. I want to ensure my dd is not concerned about this if there is no reason to be.

 

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Ok so I just looked at the NSA rules, and it said in one sections that the pitcher has 10 seconds to take the call from the catcher and in other it says her hands can be together for no longer than 10 seconds before delivering the pitch. So if she takes all 10 seconds to get the call and then puts her hands together for 10 more, she has roughly 20 total seconds, but no where did I find that it states specifically 20 seconds.

(I didn't see in the HS rules how long she has to take a call from the catcher, so maybe it is 10 sec too.)

So the ump may have called it on either part. Dang it, I hate reading the rules - you can come up with something different every time!

 

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For HS: The condensed version.

ART. 3 . . . Once the ball has been returned to the pitcher to prepare for the next pitch, she has 20 seconds to release the pitch.

ART. 1 . . . Prior to starting the delivery (pitch), the pitcher shall take a position with the pivot foot on or partially on the top surface of the pitcher's plate and the non-pivot foot in contact with or behind the pitcher's plate. Both feet must be on the ground within or partially within the 24-inch length of the pitcher's plate

c. After completing "b" above, the pitcher shall bring the hands together in front of the body for not less than one second and not more than 10 seconds before releasing the ball. The hands may be motionless or moving.

 

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The "10 seconds" part of the high school pitching rule only refers to the length of the mandatory touch of the hands prior to delivering the pitch. That is encompassed within the total of 20 seconds that the pitcher has from the time she receives the ball until she delivers the next pitch.

The NSA rule is written differently, but for all intents and purposes is interpreted the same way. The pitcher has 10 seconds to get her signal, then may bring her hands together for up to 10 seconds before delivering the ball.

This is a rule that umpires are instructed not be be "Rules Nazi's" about. You want to ensure that the pitcher is not delaying the game or gaining an unfair advantage against the batters. And it's not exactly like we have a stopwatch out there we're staring at while the pitcher is getting ready! If a pitcher seems to be taking longer than normal, I'll start a silent count in my head when she gets the ball. I don't believe that I've ever had a pitcher exceed the 20 seconds. I have had some go up to 17 or 18 seconds- which can seem like an eternity when you're waiting for a pitch!- and that is perfectly legal.

By the way...the penalty for violating this rule is that the ball is declared dead and a ball is awarded to the batter's count. There is no advancement of runners, as with an illegal pitch.

 

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As I brought up last fall, I timed a pitcher on my DD's fallball team passing the 20 second count several times a game. Her average for two innings was somewhere between 17 and 19 seconds per pitch measured with a stopwatch. One pitch was measured at 29 seconds from receiving it from the catcher while in the circle to release of the pitch.

It was never called by the ump but then again, no one complained either. I'm not sure it was a benefit for the pitcher but it was frustrating to watch. What a plodding way to go about your business in the circle. If I were one of the fielders I might have nodded off.

 

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By the way...the penalty for violating this rule is that the ball is declared dead and a ball is awarded to the batter's count. There is no advancement of runners, as with an illegal pitch.

So.....is this a way to intentionally walk a batter and never pitch the ball?

 

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So.....is this a way to intentionally walk a batter and never pitch the ball?

intentionally walk the batter AND stall the game for almost 2 mins. ;&

 

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I was just looking at this yesterday, I don't have rule book for 2011 in front of me right at the moment but I beleive Pitcher has 30 seconds from the time she receives ball from catcher to throw next pitch. I will double check when I get to school today.

 

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I will double check when I get to school today.

And you will find that it is 20 seconds...

 

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So.....is this a way to intentionally walk a batter and never pitch the ball?

Yup. Had a team pull this on us last year