10U ASA eligibility question.....

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I have a girl I asked as a guest player for a ASA National qualifying tournament,(due to some missing players) but she is already on another ASA roster. Would this make her ineligible to go back to her regular team once she played with us? Obviously do not want to ruin a girls summer for helping us out for one weekend. Any help with this would be great.

 

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Any player can be on a multi number of rosters..... Once she is on a roster that plays in a National (or regional) qualifier, she cannot play on another team in another National (or regional) qualifier.

 

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Yep, she is frozen to your red-lined roster once she plays with you in a nat'l qualifier.

I've been trying to get the word out here on OFC about these restrictions so that players don't mess up their eligibility to play with their regular teams and so that teams don't show up at Nationals with illegal rosters.

The one issue that I haven't yet nailed down is whether the player is frozen for ALL future ASA play or just for future Championship Play. Since so many of the Ohio ASA tournaments are now qualifiers for Eastern Nationals (and thus constitute "Championship Play" tournaments), however, an exception for non-Championship Play would have limited value. In any event, based on everything that I have read to date (including the ASA Code, which is real clear on this last point), it would appear that the freeze applies to all future ASA play and not just Championship Play.

 

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You cannot borrow or lend for qualifiers.

 

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Why don't you guys just call the State Director?

I am always a bit squimish about following advice off a message board. Not saying anyone is right or wrong. But for these types of issues you need to really talk to your State Director to make sure everyone is on the same page.

I recently had a slight issue with NSA and I just called the State director to make sure what I could and could not do. She then called the National office to make sure it was allowed.

The last thing you want to do is screw up a kids eligibility for a WS because of some advice you got of a message board.

 

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Why don't you guys just call the State Director?

I am always a bit squimish about following advice off a message board. Not saying anyone is right or wrong. But for these types of issues you need to really talk to your State Director to make sure everyone is on the same page.

I recently had a slight issue with NSA and I just called the State director to make sure what I could and could not do. She then called the National office to make sure it was allowed.

The last thing you want to do is screw up a kids eligibility for a WS because of some advice you got of a message board.

Fast2Home is the ASA District 1 Commissioner, his posts on ASA Rules etc., are safe to follow.

 

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Buckeye Heat, you have it correct as it was explained to me last summer. The freeze applies to all ASA play although I had the same doubts and tried to argue the case with no luck.

 

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@spartansdad:

We have called the ASA State Commissioner and my answer is based on that plus my other research. In that phone conversation, we didn't ask the more refined question whether a frozen player can play for a different ASA roster in non-Championship Play.

I agree that you can't rely on everything regarding rules and regs that is stated on this board, but when you have as many people who have as much experience as the ones who have responded to the question, and when their responses uniformly say that the guest player can't return to her regular ASA roster team for other Championship Play and probably not for any subsequent ASA plan in 2011, I'd pay attention. It's not like we are saying "oh, no problem, she's fine for later tournaments with her regular team", so I don't really get the your criticism.

 

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I agree that you can't rely on everything regarding rules and regs that is stated on this board, but when you have as many people who have as much experience as the ones who have responded to the question, and when their responses uniformly say that the guest player can't return to her regular ASA roster team for other Championship Play and probably not for any subsequent ASA plan in 2011, I'd pay attention. It's not like we are saying "oh, no problem, she's fine for later tournaments with her regular team", so I don't really get the your criticism.

Your responses are incomplete/misleading because there is the possibility she could return to her regular team for Nationals as a pick-up player if the other team is no longer eligible for championship play. That's probably why Fast2Home's response was specific to playing in qualifiers.

 

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SoCal Dad:

You are right about being able to serve as a pick-up player in a Nationals Tournament at the end of the summer, but the question was whether the player could return to her regular roster during the summer season. And the important point is that she can't, at least for other ASA qualifiers and maybe for all regular season ASA play. I cannot imagine that anyone would jeopardize her ability to play the regular summer ASA schedule just because she knows that she could always serve as a pick-up player (assuming that the team she is frozen to isn't going to either ASA/USA OR Eastern Nationals; many many teams will be attending the latter).

You could accuse Fast2Home as being misleading because he didn't set out all the restrictions on pick-up players for Nationals play, or because he doesn't address the question I raised about playing on another roster for non-Championship Play, but I don't see the point. We are all trying to get out the message that there are serious eligibility issues raised by subbing in an ASA qualifier.