12u team registering for as a 10u team for a fall tourney

[brownsfan]

I've seen it alot among all of the age groups in the fall. 11U playing a 10U tourney (mainly to get the girls use to each other), 13U playing 12U (can't explain this one since the distance changes), 15U playing 14U (mostly newly completely reloaded teams when most of the core left), and 17U down to 16U to get that last piece of exposure before moving up.

 

[trcyknny7]

Per the ASA state commissioner, this is NOT allowed in an ASA qualifier. Sanction year runs 9/1-8/31 (roughly) for JO sanctioned teams and you sanction as a team for what the girls will be playing the following spring for any qualifier tournaments. NSA and USSSA have different rules, but as most associations have now gone ASA and the HOO tourney was sanctioned ASA, this is what should have been followed. I dont get why a coach would do such a disservice to his own 12U team anyway, its not helping them be ready for 12U travel in the spring, it's caused a complete loss of any credibility for the organization and could potentially have caused serious injury to the 9U player pitching against older girls from a shorter distance. I get that that HOO had an inexperienced team, but be open and honest in your tournament posting and tell others what you are REALLY doing in your tournament so they can make an informed decision about whether they want to put their young team with an older team. Don't hoodwink teams into it. If the org really had nothing to hide, they would have disclosed it when the teams registered. The TD knew the KAOS team was a mostly young 06 team with no 10U experience at all because that was discussed via PMs here on OFC so they were well aware of what they were doing when they did it. . How does any team registered for any of the future tournaments know they will be playing teams of the same age now? ....They don't. Again, complete loss of credibility for HOO.

 

[dannyboy]

What team and tournament are you talking about? I was at Marysville on the 26th. My daughter pitched and played in their tournament, I am not aware of any older teams playing down.

 

[Bell-n-Rose]

What team and tournament are you talking about? I was at Marysville on the 26th. My daughter pitched and played in their tournament, I am not aware of any older teams playing down.

It was your first pool game, HOO team. We played them in our first pool game and didn't realize it until after the game.

 

[manitoudan]

Had this happen 7-8 yrears ago with a team from KY with 13U girls hanging around and playing in 12u in the fall. They traveled a long way to come play in our local event and ran into the Doom 95 that was actually 10u's playing up in age group .. made for a strange semi or final game in that event . Players with 3 years in age difference .. The kicker is years later I ran across some parents from that Ky team that remembered traveling to Lucasville Oh for the tourney and they denied like heck it happened . Sadly trophy hunters will always be with us .

 

[FastBat]

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That's funny, but a little sad too!

 

[jt7663]

I see the Sanctioned year etc. What is the cutoff or Age Requirement is it also the Girls age as of 9/1??

 

[SoCal_Dad]

ASA Code still goes by a calendar year. The age cutoff for 2015 was age on 12/31/2014 and for 2016 it will be 12/31/2015.

The change for ASA registrations running from Aug/Sept is an OPTION for state/metro associations. Some have remained on calendar year.

ASA is far more than girls fastpitch and they try to keep their regs consistent across the board.

 

[Heavy Hitter]

I wouldn't do it. But, a team with players who' birthdays are 2004(and not before) is still considered 10U in October of 2015. A 2004(and not before) team would become a 12u team on January 1, 2016.

 

[Captain_Thunder]

I wouldn't do it. But, a team with players who' birthdays are 2004(and not before) is still considered 10U in October of 2015. A 2004(and not before) team would become a 12u team on January 1, 2016.

In Ohio, ASA & USSSA start their year in the fall!!!!!!!! So 04 becomes 12U for All Fall games!!!
It may be different in other areas. It even states on ASA Home Plate - Notice To September Associations........And even before this switch was made - everyone was supposed to play up in fall...........So anyone outside of REC ball who is playing down are either Trophy Hunting or really bad...........and even Rec leagues play up in the fall........

 

[Heavy Hitter]

In Ohio, ASA & USSSA start their year in the fall!!!!!!!! So 04 becomes 12U for All Fall games!!!
It may be different in other areas. It even states on ASA Home Plate - Notice To September Associations........And even before this switch was made - everyone was supposed to play up in fall...........So anyone outside of REC ball who is playing down are either Trophy Hunting or really bad...........and even Rec leagues play up in the fall........

You are correct the ASA registrations say from 8/31/15 to 9/1/16 and there are reasons for the change.

Now here is where you are mistaken. It still doesn't affect a team’s ability to play down during Oct, Nov, and Dec. A player’s age is still determined by using the old method, January 1st to December 31. That means if I have a team of 2004 birthdays and after, I can still play 10U in Oct. Nov. Dec. of 2015.

The difference is national qualifier. If I have 12 players on my team, 7 are 2004 birthdays and 5 are 2005 or later. I can still play in 10U national qualifier with those 12 players and retain my bid. As long as those 5 players whose birthdays are 2005 or later, play on my 10U team in 2016. Even though the other 7 have to move up to 12U in 2016.

 

[freddieball]

Pretty sure a 00 team 2 weeks ago played in a 14u ASA Eastern Qualifier and took 2nd place. All of the other teams were 01 and 02 teams. Team now shows as a 14u team for 2016 season on ASA website. Looks like that whole tournament was thrown out. Its no longer on the ASA website as a completed tournament.

 

[alborules]

You are correct the ASA registrations say from 8/31/15 to 9/1/16 and there are reasons for the change.

Now here is where you are mistaken. It still doesn't affect a team?s ability to play down during Oct, Nov, and Dec. A player?s age is still determined by using the old method, January 1st to December 31. That means if I have a team of 2004 birthdays and after, I can still play 10U in Oct. Nov. Dec. of 2015.

The difference is national qualifier. If I have 12 players on my team, 7 are 2004 birthdays and 5 are 2005 or later. I can still play in 10U national qualifier with those 12 players and retain my bid. As long as those 5 players whose birthdays are 2005 or later, play on my 10U team in 2016. Even though the other 7 have to move up to 12U in 2016.

When a team with 7 2004 B-days and 5 2005 B-day's registers on the ASA website for the new season that started on September 1st, are they registered as a 12u or a 10u team? I get the difference in the roster dates and the age determination; but, in my opinion, if a team is registered in a sanctioning body as a 12u team for the season that starts September 1, 2015 it should not be allowed to play 10u in any qualifier.

Allan Abel

 

[yossarian]

The difference is national qualifier. If I have 12 players on my team, 7 are 2004 birthdays and 5 are 2005 or later. I can still play in 10U national qualifier with those 12 players and retain my bid. As long as those 5 players whose birthdays are 2005 or later, play on my 10U team in 2016. Even though the other 7 have to move up to 12U in 2016.

If that's true, then it's an unfortunate loophole. The real question is, who would want to do that and risk branding their team and org as a bunch of Bush League trophy hunters. That's how most would view them, right?

 

[poden-smoden]

If that's true, then it's an unfortunate loophole. The real question is, who would want to do that and risk branding their team and org as a bunch of Bush League trophy hunters. That's how most would view them, right?

They all do this while they have the opportunity!! Once they start showcasing we can't even get a score posted let alone win a trophy! LOL!

 

[Julianagonzalez]

For some coaches its all about the w!lol

 

[FastBat]

If that's true, then it's an unfortunate loophole. The real question is, who would want to do that and risk branding their team and org as a bunch of Bush League trophy hunters. That's how most would view them, right?

JMHO....
-When the player's are out on the field, most spectators really don't know how old any of the other players are.

-If the fall team is a 50/50 split of 04/05's and they need a few more players, the team can post they already have a bid, attracting a few new 05's to their team.

-Even if they don't get a bid, but did well, it still looks impressive. The potential coach can brag about how good the current 10u team is...went 5-1 at XYZ fall tourney, even if she/he lost their entire infield.

-As my dd gets older, I realize it's pretty common, I wouldn't let my dd do it!