Alabama player loses HR to lack of focus in the moment.

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The video link shows the game winner chopper , but not the HR , did she miss a base ?
 

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The video link shows the game winner chopper , but not the HR , did she miss a base ?

She missed home. She came running in to the celebratory mosh pit and jumped right over the plate. What happened after is somewhat comical. You need to see it. Assistant coach is trying to pull her out of the mob to touch the plate. Right before she gets to the dugout, the assistant gives her a big bear hug from behind and turns her around to go touch the plate. As she's going back to the plate, the umpire has given the catcher a new ball, and the catcher runs up and tags her just before she touches the plate. At that point is when she was called out.
 

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Isn't she entitled to go back and touch home plate as long as she hasn't entered the dugout? The tag has zero to do with her being called out!
 

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I don't believe a coach is allowed to physically assist a player towards any base. she should've been called out at that point
 
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So here is my question & I supposed Bretman may need to chime in here.
The batter was reminded by somebody who overheard that Ole Miss was about to appeal it. So, to appeal, they have to either have to tag her or touch the plate while holding the ball. After the home run, the umpire tossed a new ball to the pitcher and they were able to get the ball to the catcher and tag her out.
We have all been at games where the batter fouls a couple of balls out of play. We have all been at games where the ump says he needs some softballs because of all the foul balls.. OK, so WHAT IF????
What if that homerun ball that went out of the park was the ONLY ball the umpire had? What if he didn't immediately have another ball to toss to the defense and THEY were deprived of the opportunity to make that tag?
NOW WHAT?

Bretman?
 

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Should a live ball appeal be allowed on a dead ball? Should a dead ball appeal be allowed before she completes her base running responsibilities?
 

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The umpire gave the catcher a new ball immediately after he watched Hemphill miss the plate. Does this mean at that point he put a new ball "In Play" or is it when the pitcher toes the rubber and he points and says "Play Ball"

If ball is in play when he hands it to catcher.... then what if he gave the catcher a new ball as the runner was in between 2b and 3b on her home run trot? is the catcher allowed to tag the runner out before touching the plate? Of course not... so why is she allowed to tag her when she is coming back to step on home.

Another question you have to ask is at what point does a player give themselves up. Do the rules state a player cant jump over home plate, high 5 her teammates, cheer Rah Rah then go back and touch the plate?
 

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Once again college rules are completely different than any other rule set and their ruling on this is quite interesting and contradicts the written rule. The written rule says dead ball appeals can be made, but, on a ball that goes out of play they cannot be made until a new ball is put into the game. No definition of what being put into the game means. Their rule also says on a dead ball, the runner must be given the opportunity to correct their base running error before a dead ball appeal can be made, again no definition of exactly what constitutes an opportunity when the missed base is home plate. Now, the approved ruling they have issued is on a ball that goes out of play, a dead ball appeal cannot be made until a new ball is put into the game AND made live. Also, a runner that misses home plate on a home run has all the way up until they go into the dugout to return and touch the plate and no appeal may be made until they enter the dugout. So, while NCAA says they allow dead ball appeals, on a ball that goes out of play there is no possible way to make a dead ball appeal for any infraction until the ball is made live again.

Every other rule set allows dead ball appeals with or without the ball and there is no requirement for a ball to be put back into the game or make it live again. All other rule sets also state a runner must be given the opportunity to correct their base running errors prior to the umpire accepting a dead ball appeal again with no definition of what that opportunity exactly is on missing the plate on a home run. In umpire group discussions it is generally accepted to be umpire judgement as to how long the runner is given to correct that error. If the runner misses the plate and is showing no signs of returning to touch on their way to the dugout the runner has made no intention of returning and the dead ball appeal can be accepted by the umpire.

With the NCAA ruling the defense can do nothing but stand around and wait until the runner enters the dugout, then have the umpire put the ball back into play, call time and then appeal the runner for missing the plate. In the case of a walk off home run and a missed plate, the defensive players would have to hold position as well as the umpire remain on the field and wait for the offensive team to do their celebrations, line dance, macarena and whatever else they are doing to see if the runner ever returns to touch or enters the dugout. Only then could they make an appeal of the missed plate, and with the defense and umpires all standing around it will surely tip the offense at some point the runner needs to go back and touch the plate.
 

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Manitoudan what is the college rule on a coach touching a player to have them touch a base ? I know you can't in high school. I watched a girl get grabbed and turned around for missing 3rd umpire called her out before she even got to home.
 

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Not sure he did. She was running off the field until the grabbed her and pushed back towards home plate.
 

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Great Job by the catcher,

She had great position as she was watching the play unfold, As the player went to the dugout she points out the player missed the plate to the umpire...
I would think it would have been better to not say anything until she was back on the bench. You can see the on deck hitter giving that hey....They are saying you did not touch the plate look (that the batter obviously knew she did not).
The tag is silly and I can not see where it would be needed in this play...I would think the umpire felt she made enough motion towards the dugout that the play was now dead. Kind of like when a batter strikes out on a pass ball or one in the dirt and walks back towards the dugout and after teammates say "run" the umpire hold up their hand...


Hey Blue, can I have another ball the runner missed home..
 

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The out for runner assistance only occurs during a live ball, no penalty during a dead ball. So the coach pushing her back toward the plate is nothing. As I already stated, the NCAA rules are completely different than any other softball rule set, when a ball goes out of play no dead ball appeal can be made until a new ball is put into play and made live. Only then can the defense make an appeal.
 

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