Also a (so called ) dropped 3rd strike question

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I too need some clarification. Runners on 2nd and 3rd, 1 out and the count is 2 and 1. Ump calls strike and the batter runs to 1st. 2nd and 3rd run, catcher throws to first and over throws but right grabs it and guns it home to get the runner from 2nd out. You make the call!!!!
 
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Re: Also a (so called ) dropped 3rd strike questio

I agree with Brandallee, the catcher should have to tag the runner coming home to make the out. There was nothing to force the runner to come home.
 
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Re: Also a (so called ) dropped 3rd strike questio

Well I would say runner on 3rd scores, runner from 2nd is out. Runner at first comes back to bat with a 2-2 count. Coach from defensive team comes out to argue that there has to be some sort of rule to cover a batter running to first when she isn't awarded first. Ump changes call, calls batter out. Offensive coach comes out and argues his case. End result: a coach is ejected, grounds keeper has to replace first base and we have to wait for bretman to deliver the correct answer. Any of these close?
 
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Re: Also a (so called ) dropped 3rd strike questio

The batter must come back and finish the at bat , since from what you are telling us the count was 2-2 . The runners may advance at their own risk, so if they are tagged out they are out. If the score was tied this might have been planned to catch the defensive team off guard and hoping the catcher would throw the ball so your runner can score from third. Some creative coaching if it was planned.
 
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Re: Also a (so called ) dropped 3rd strike questio

Runner from third scores, runner from second is out, batter returns to the plate with a 2-2 count, nobody on base and two outs.

The rules specifically state that this is not an infraction by the batter. Running for first on a mistaken uncaught third strike is not a violation of the rules.

The defense needs to be aware of the count and the situation. If the catcher makes a play on a batter who is not entitled to run, that is a bad move by the catcher. The ball remains live on this play and any runners are free to advance with liability of being put out.

As the umpire, there are a couple of game management techniques that can head-off these kind of plays.

The first is announcing the ball/strike count clearly and often. The count especially should be announced whenever there are either three balls or two strikes, as on those counts the next pitch is likely to have an impact on the playing action. This helps to get everybody on the same page and reduce confusion.

Secondly, if a batter tries to advance to first when she is not supposed to, the umpire should loudly make a call to stop her.

For example, on a (real) uncaught third strike with fewer than two outs and first base occupied. If the batter tries for first, within her first few steps I'm repeating, "Batter out, batter out!", accompanied by the standard overhead fist out signal.

On this play, as soon as the batter leaves the box I'm loudly calling, "That's only two strikes, batter. Get back in the box!".

Good game management by the umpire can lessen the possibility of these "keystone cops" kind of plays. But good coaching can help, too! The defense still has the responsibility to know the count and game situation and the good sense to not make unnecessary plays on batters who are not entitled to advance.
 
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Re: Also a (so called ) dropped 3rd strike questio

Could the batter be called for delay of game since she ran towards first base with only two strikes? I know some plate umps will tell the batter to keep one foot in the box while getting signs from the base coaches, or he/she will call delay of game.
 
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Re: Also a (so called ) dropped 3rd strike questio

Yes, that is a possible penalty on this play. I was going to mention that in the other post, but it was already pretty long and I was trying to keep it short! :)

Umpires are instructed to use the "delay of game" penalty as a last resort, after warning the batter to stay in the box, and not as a way to ring up cheap and easy strikes.

I would give some leeway here since a batter can run to first by mistake, thinking it is an uncaught third strike situation, without penalty.

The first time it happens, we're going let it play out and assume it was a mistake.

The next time the batter will get a firm warning to get back in the box.

If it happens again, the batter had better get back in the box within her alotted ten seconds or she will be charged with a penalty strike for delay of game.
 
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