Hitting and Hitters Discussion Batting orders

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so here is something to think about on a snowy day

? ? ave h% ? ? OB% ?AB ?BB ?H ? mbH ?sac ? SO% ? SB ?RS ? RBI ?H21
a ? .444 ? ?.606 ? .548 ? ?54 ? 8 ? ?24 ? 11 ? ??4 ? ?.258 ? ? 5 ? 17 ? ?21 ? ?2.82
b ? .439 ? ?.627 ? .521 ? ?66 ? 7 ? ?29 ? ?3 ? ? 2 ? ?.280 ? ?20 ? 19 ? ? 2 ? 2.56
c ? .407 ? ?.646 ? ?.556 ? ?54 ? 9 ? ?22 ? 7 ? ? 2 ? ?.138 ? ? 2 ? ?15 ? ? 18 ? 2.90
d. ?.381 ? ?.809 ? .488 ? ?42 ? 1 ? ?15 ? ?1 ? ? 4 ? ?.170 ? ? 3 ? ?7 ? ? ?7 ? 2.88
e ? .366 ? ?.788 ? .501 ? ?44 ? 6 ? ?16 ? ?2 ? ? 5 ? ?.191 ? ? 4 ? ?9 ? ? 10 ?3.14
f ? ?.358 ? ?.762 ? .418 ? ?63 ? 2 ? ?17 ?? 2 ? ? 8 ? ?.159 ? ? 1 ? ?8 ? ? 17 ?3.10
g ? .357 ? ?.594 ? .537 ? ?56 ?11 ? 20 ?? 6 ? ? 2 ? ??.188 ? ? 1 ? ?8 ? ? 16 ?3.12
h ? .352 ? ?.739 ? .431 ? ?54 ? 4 ? ?19 ?? 3? ? 11 ? ?130 ? ? 3 ? ?11 ? ?15 ? ?2.88
J ? ?.319 ? ?.800 ?.396 ? ?47 ? 1 ? ?14 ?? 1 ? ? 2 ? ??.140 ? ? 5 ? ? 4 ? ? 7 ?2.77
k ? ?.242 ? ?.579 ?.343 ? ?33 ? 2 ? ? 8 ?? 1 ? ? 3 ? ? .263 ? ? 12 ? 11 ? ?3 ?2.62
m ? .222 ? ?.700 ?.263 ? ?18 ? 1 ? ? 4 ? ?0 ? ??1 ? ??.200 ? ? 1 ? ? 4 ? ? ?1 ?3.03

Give me a batting order - all 11,?with the info there. ?H%= how many times they hit it in play, mbH is multiple base hits, ?SO% is stike out %, ?Shouldn't matter left or right handed. ?H21 is home to first time

 

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B-H-A-C-G-F-E-D-K

 

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1 - B
2 - A
3 - C
4 - G
5 - E
6 - D
7 - H
8 - F
9 - J

K - pinch runner, courtesy runner
M - take a break

Would be nice to see their Slugging Percentages.

 

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Thanx for the input on this! so how do you calculate slugging %

 

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I thought all this time the '27 Yankees were the best team of all time. With these type of stats, this team shouldn't lose a game no matter what the lineup might be. Nonetheless...

1 - B
2 - C
3 - A
4 - G
5 - E
6 - F
7 - H
8 - J
9 - D

 

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ok joe --- why would J be at the bottom?

 

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David: I have J eighth because (1) her on-base percentage is last among the starters and (2) she doesn't appear to have any power. She is the least productive person in that lineup. I like to have someone in the 9 spot with a little better on-base percentage than those in the 7 and 8 spots so that I have a better chance to have someone on base for the top of my order.

With h and all of those sacs, I wouldn't even worry about bothering to sacrifice bunt with most of the team hitting in the high 300s and even 400s. Why give away outs when the team OBP seems to be around .500?

 

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Thanx for the input on this! so how do you calculate slugging %

Total bases (1b + (2b * 2) + (3b * 3) + (HR *4)) / At-Bats = Slugging %

ie ... Susy had 18 singles, 5 doubles, 2 triples and 3 HRs in 62 at bats

Total bases = (18 + (5 * 2) + (2 * 3) + (3 * 4) / At-Bats (62) = Slugging %

(18 + 10 + 6 + 12) / 62 = .742 Slugging %


Susy would make a pretty nice #4 hitter

 

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David: I have J eighth because (1) her on-base percentage is last among the starters and (2) she doesn't appear to have any power. She is the least productive person in that lineup. I like to have someone in the 9 spot with a little better on-base percentage than those in the 7 and 8 spots so that I have a better chance to have someone on base for the top of my order.

Joe, so are saying that all the NL Major League Managers are screwy in the head and they should be batting their Pitcher in the 7th or 8th spot to get a higher on-base % in the 9 hole?

Sorry, with all due respect Joe, I don't buy it!

 

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jb power:

You should know better than using that analogy. In the National League, the pitcher usually is by far the worst hitter in the lineup and you want to get him as few at-bats as possible. But in the situation above and most of our lineups, there is probably very little difference between hitters 7-9. In those cases, I'll have someone in the 9 hole who has either a little better OBP than 7 and 8, or maybe has some speed so that she won't clog the bases for the leadoff hitter.

 

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I'd like to have some of that speed, 2.56 and 2.62 are fast. Whatley and Lowe fast.

 

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Joe,

The NL Pitchers analogy may be a tad strong but the same logic applies. You said it yourself "worst hitter in the lineup and you want to get him as few at-bats as possible. "

By moving your "worst" hitter up in the lineup you are giving them more at bats than a better hitter...why in the world would you want to do that. To give your "worst hitter" a better chance to make more outs?

 

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Being a High School coach this is a easy one for me. Since I use the alphbetical order method with last names of the girls I would go A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-J.

 

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I use this method because I have heard High School stats have no bearing on College. If I had one of those travel teams I would more than likley revert to a higher standard method such as drawing names out of a hat or writing thier names in the line up as they arrived at the field

 

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Sundial - thats pretty funny.

jb-power Thanx for the Slugging % stuff I set it up in my file.

 

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lol sundial! Out of frustration, we once tried something similar with a 6th grade boys baseball team. Believe it or not, it was one of the best offensive games all year. We just used the old "gut" feeling for the lineup. Stats are a very good tool for a guide, but sometimes the law of averages (and kids) will fool you.

 

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jb: You effectively misquoted me, despite my post being right there for all to see. You left out the words "by far". That part of my sentence was clearly the key part since the subject was MLB pitchers and their hitting compared to position players.

Making out a lineup isn't as simple as determining who the best hitter is and just going down the list 1 through 9. You have speed, power, ability to bunt/slap/make contact/hit backside, ability to make contact, etc. If I have two hitters that I'm probably going to make 8 and 9, but who aren't too far apart in ability, I'll likely put the one who has speed and/or a slightly higher on-base percentage in the 9 hole. Over the course of a 30-game season, that will likely mean the #9 hitter will get three less plate appearances than the #8 hitter. I'll sacrifice that to have a better chance of a runner on base for my #1-3 hitters. Further, if my #9 gets on base with two outs and has some speed, I don't mind stealing her, as (1) she has a solid chance of being safe, and (2) even if she is out, we start with the top of the order.

 

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Call me crazy but there have been times when my leadoff has been struggling so I put her in the 9 spot for a confidence boost. How many times have you heard oppossing coach's say to thier pitcher or catcher that it's the 9 hitter pitch to her and don't walk her. Kind of goes in line with Joe's idea for the 9 spot not exactly but similair. Of course it helps if there are 2-3 players on your team that you would consider leadoff hitters and you can put one of them in the 1 spot

 

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I ahve been rolling 6-9 into 2 and 3 because each week someone has a good tourney who was in the bottom of the order. maybe they are getting better pitches when they are in that spot. I'm lucky that my drop off isn't very much.

My biggest factors for top are speed, OB%, AVE. I need to pay more attention to strike out percent too. Being able to hit the ball in play or walk during clutch situations is gonna get that first run of the game.