College Camps and Clinics

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It still amazes me that only in the Midwest do we still teach kids poor mechanic's. Just heard about a camp still teaching take your hands to the ball. They were also hitting Basketballs and if you read on this site, what that can do to your arm and wrist. posted by hitter. Spent about 2 hours this weekend going thru the Softball Edition on RVP, taught by Mike Candera and Sue Enquist, if you want to improve your softball skill and knowledge, watch this presentation. They use many of our current team USA players to show you the correct swing mechanics and why you shouldn't take your hands to the ball , squish the bug, swing level or down on the ball. The cost is what you would pay for a clinic and at least you will be shown the correct methods. It is 2 hours of detail instructions anyone coaching or planning on playing at the higher level should watch.
 
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SBFamily--I was at this clinic and I was very shocked at some of the things that I heard and saw being taught by college coaches. I don't want to lump them all together however--there were some who knew what they were doing. But there was a LOT of basketballs and volleyballs being hit......
 
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Dan I was at Children's Hospital Sport Med Department again last Friday for 2.5 hours trying to understand the differences in the male verses female differences as to Q angle, hip width, the firing of the glutes, imbalance of the hamstring to quad, the notch width where the ACL passes through etc and how to prevent it from happening. One of our kids mothers works at Children's and her daughter is in their program and the Sports Med Director allows me to observe and ask questions with her mother's permission.

To say the least this has been a real eye opener as to how to prevent ACL injuries which is why we include it as part of our clinic information for hitting now and why we teach throwing before hitting. You heard for yourself Jenny Topping and Crystl tell the kids if we would have had this information before may be this would have never happened to us!

You heard Crystl tell the kids especially the young ones not to hit basket balls or do drills that suddenly stop their motion as it puts too much stress on the shoulders, elbows and wrists. I asked the trainer at Children's about this and his lay person explanation to me is the muscles in the shoulder serve to pull the arm into the socket, rotator cuff, labrum, trapezes...not sure of the spelling however with the elbow being away from the body, as it should be to slot, it is not in a good position to come to a sudden stop and especially for the younger kids it is not recommended by them to do. Same thing with squats as they do not recommend more than 120 degrees in the knee bend and anything 90 or less is a recipe for disaster i.e. butt below the knees.

I would think with having college trainers they would step up and stop this at least for the younger girls however most clinics have a wavier of liability so I guess they are OK legally however what about morally?

I know there is some style to what everyone teaches however causing the shoulder, arm and wrist to come to a sudden deceleration is not healthy!

Per one of our parents his daughter walked by that drill completely as she knew better. She was also asked why she did not take the knob of the bat to the ball and who told her to keep the knob inside the path of the ball!

It is difficult to understand why some of these college coaches teach what they teach in the Midwest verses Pac 10, southwest conference etc and then there is the Midwest! Where we teach swinging down on the ball, level to the ball, starting our hands over the plate, squishing the bug or starting the hip and throwing the hands to the ball, then you bring in CB, Berg, Topping and Finch and no one can believe how they do it is not how X college teaches it and so forth and so on...WSU does not teach those techniques and they are doing pretty well so you are correct Dan by having learned over the years which camps are worth going to.... which is why we always invite Coach B and his staff to come to our clinics. He is a US Nationals coach also and works with Team USA as the opposition coach.

I just hope the little ones do not get hurt doing some of these drills.
 
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Nice post Hitter, I completely agree with what you are saying.

I don't understand why harmful methods are taught to our girls. As a parent it makes me question the methods of the instruction and ask **why do you want my daughter to do it this way** and if they can't tell me the reason or if the reason is **I've done it this way for XX years** or if the answer is **that is the way I did it when I played** --For me this type of answer is no longer acceptable.
I don't want my daughter to be included the growing number of statistics in those injured by sports. We have decided to be proactive prevent an injury so that my daughter may enjoy to play the game as long as she desires.
Fortunately, we take our DD to instructors who encourage these types of questions and can answer my questions to my satisfaction
 
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Crystl and I explain to the kids to be respectful to the coach however the coach should be able to explain things in measurable and observable terms that reasonable people could agree upon and then how could we test for it.

Such as bat speed increase or decreased based on grip, where is the ball being hit verses tee placement, stronger with the head up verses down, balance being felt when done sequentially.

Team USA has a lot of people on staff who time them, check bat speed, use best base running techniques etc and then there is the Midwest where when we bring in Crystl, Berg, Topping and Finch and you see how they do it verses what is being taught...you are correct to ask the tough questions and they should be able to answer them...if not do not go back in my opinion.

This is why I believe in WSU clinics and know Coach B and his staff have the answers or will get you an answer...this is why they help us out at our clinics when they can.

Dan and Shayne have probably been to more camps than anyone I know and I respect their opinions....some of the parents do not want to talk about it in fear of agitating a college coach and not getting recruited.

Been there done that and know who some of them are...
 
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Yikes, dd was hitting a bball/vball this weekend at the Kent State camp. It seems many colleges want you to come to their camps so they can see you skills, what if they are trying to teach you different? Some schools dd really wants to check out.
 
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We were there this weekend and the basketball and volley ball hitting was the first thing that caught my attention, not wanting to be duct taped to one of the steet lights outside i bit my tounge and just watched, no sooner than i had witnessed that i heard one of the coaches assisting with the clinic talk to a group of girls and say bat angle is bad and level swing is good, i was almost at a state of panic when i noticed my dd who had been instructed to hit the basket ball just shake her head no and move along down the line to the next task,,,, then it hit me, i could re***, she knew what was right and wrong, and she looked back at me as if to say, sit down old man this is all under control........
 
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So what clinics are the best to go to besides wright st.


Straightleg
 
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If it were me it would be Crystl or WSU period....there is no substitute!

Look at the data and forget your heart and your political alliances....
 
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How do most college coaches handle this? Do they let you bat how you've been taught or will they insist you do it their way? This could greatly limit the school possiblities. Just starting the college search process and thought going to camps would be a good way to get seen. Any advice? We are big fans of and practice Howards methods.
 
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If a kid can hit the ball well against good college pitching, I let them hit how they have been taught, and I encourage them to continue working with their instructor, if they have one, anytime they go home. If they are struggling, then we work with them to tweak things. And even if a kid is hitting well but I think that we can make a minor change to improve their hitting further, we will try an adjustment. But we don't attempt to change things that aren't broken. Same goes for our pitchers. We actually made DVD's of our kids right before break so that they could take them back to their instructors. I have certain philosophies and techniques that I teach, but my ego is not so big that I think that I know it all by any means......
 
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SBFamily--I was at this clinic and I was very shocked at some of the things that I heard and saw being taught by college coaches. I don't want to lump them all together however--there were some who knew what they were doing. But there was a LOT of basketballs and volleyballs being hit......

Bill you touched on it and I understand you don't want to say a lot however we fight this everyday especially in the Midwest...several of our girls were there and truly do know the difference.

This is a good story of thinking out of the box or having a paradigm about only doing it one way and never trying to improve what it is you are doing in life or sports...

The Fosbury Flop is a style used in the athletics event of high jump. It was popularized and perfected by American athlete Dick Fosbury, whose gold medal in the 1968 Summer Olympics brought it to the world's attention. Over the next few years the flop became the dominant style of the event and remains so today. Before Fosbury, most elite jumpers used the Straddle technique, Western Roll, Eastern cut-off or even Scissors-Jump to clear the bar.


Before the use of the Fosbury Flop the records for high jumping was pretty much minimized and then after its introduction the records began to fall.


When I saw this I thought of hitting and the various techniques of step, stop turn the back hip and throw the hands at the ball, squish the bug, knob of the bat to the ball, keeping the bat flat to the ball, swinging down on the ball, level to the ball, casting out to hit the ball, extension prior to contact, teaching the hitter to hit their shoulder or slap their back. Keeping the back elbow down and close to the body...


When I look at what the players from TEAM USA have done over the years and
read and hear and see what is being taught as sound fundamental hitting mechanics I wonder how in this day and age of the internet with all the information out there how some of the techniques at the next level (college) could be considered valid after seeing what teams like the USA Olympic Team have done why people would subject their kids to these other methods of teaching when you see the data and the results! Some of it is hurting the kids physically like shoulders, wrists, elbows, knees ACL's and ankles...in my opinion.
 
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It still amazes me that only in the Midwest do we still teach kids poor mechanic's.


Unfortunately, it's just not in the midwest. It's happening all over the country except maybe the west coast. I witnessed a couple of kids from Texas talking about how you need to swing down on the ball to create a ton of backspin so it will travel over the fence! Please do not think this is a "mid-west" only problem. NKU has an upcoming clinic, they are located in the mid-west, and they will not teach your child to swing down on the ball.

Hey Howard, do you still recommend Indiana Wesleyan clinics?

Len
 
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Has anyone been the Ashland University camp?

I am just getting ready to register my dd and would like feedback on years past.

thnx
 
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Northwestern "TWO DAY" Clinic in Chicago last weekend was SUPERB! Recommend to ANYONE for next year. Lauren Lappin(Gold Medalist) as Catchers Coach, Drohan Sisters as Head and Hitting Coaches, and various NU Studdettes past and present on hand to help. Tons of instruction, mental approaches, with lots of hands on for each attendee. 10 Coaches, 9 Players working with about 100 players. Indiana and MSU Coaches were on hand helping also.

Already signed up for next year. Watching Nicole Pauly & Tammy hit was worth the price of admission. And yes, the Caryl Drohan(Hitting Coach) has her method, but also leverages each hitters NATURAL tendancies to NOT MESS with what's not broke.
 
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I'm going to say this once, and then I'm just going to start handing out temporary and, if necessary, permanent bans.

KEEP IT CIVIL!

I get that some people on here don't get along with others and never will, but I will not tolerate attacks on individuals, schools, or programs. I've deleted the posts in question as well as a couple of follow ups to them (as they didn't make sense out of context) - the next post along those lines will earn the poster a ban. If you have any questions PM me.
 
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Softballmom009,
I took a team to Ashland a few years ago for a team workout and Sheila worked their bottoms off and the girls learned alot. Her assistant and the players are also very good with the girls. The Ashland U girls truely enjoy working with the players and I think thats a big plus.
Gary
 
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I recommend the NKU clinic also. Great drills, great with kids, great fun, great coaches!

Hammy
 
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