College Players on 18-U Teams

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Coaches,
This subject has proably already been talked about, but until now it hasn't effected my team. We are moving from 16-U to 18-U next year and I might have college players that want to tryout.

How will that possibly effect our tournament schedule. I need the rules concerning this subject and possibly where I can find ASA's position on it.

Thanks!

 

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ASA's position won't be known until after their convention this fall. Right now college players aren't permitted on B or Gold, A is rumored to be on the agenda.

 

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ASA's position won't be known until after their convention this fall. Right now college players aren't permitted on B or Gold, A is rumored to be on the agenda.

When you reference ASA "A" you are referring to National tournaments right? No one can be certain, but do you think this will include qualifiers as well? How do you think this will effect your ASA non-qualifier tourneys?

 

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If ASA says no college players at 18U "A", that would amount to saying no college players at 18U (B and Gold already prohibit them); could be a busy year for new 23U teams....

 

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I think this is a very bad idea to not allow college players to play on 18u teams. College coaches know who they want to see when they attend these tournaments, why would it matter to them if there were college players who have allready played their freshman year on it. I would think college coaches would like to see how their potential recruits can fare against players with college experience. I know my daughter loves playing against teams with college players on it, she said it will makes her a better pitcher playing against better competition. I have not heard the reasoning behind why this could happen, I would be interested in hearing the logic behind it.

 

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I think this is a very bad idea to not allow college players to play on 18u teams. College coaches know who they want to see when they attend these tournaments, why would it matter to them if there were college players who have allready played their freshman year on it. I would think college coaches would like to see how their potential recruits can fare against players with college experience. I know my daughter loves playing against teams with college players on it, she said it will makes her a better pitcher playing against better competition. I have not heard the reasoning behind why this could happen, I would be interested in hearing the logic behind it.

The best reason I've heard is to avoid the problems caused by college players arriving in the summer and bumping players that have been with the team all year. Teams need a full roster of non-college players in order to play in the fall and winter. The coaches wanted the college players excluded to spare them from having to choose between getting college players to be competitive or being loyal to the girls that are with them all year.

I also heard ASA's rationale for keeping college players in 18A was to provide a place for them to play since 23U is not available in all areas of the country. That argument seems a little weak to me since it only addresses a minority of the college players (i.e. 18yo).

 

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What is the date for the fall convention. How soon after convention does rule change take effect immediately? Is there grace period like the pitching distance in high school had?

 

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ASA's hand was forced last year by Gary Haning and the PGF, their knee jerk reaction to PGF was to ban all collegiate interscholastic players at Gold and all interscholastic collegiate AND collegiate club players at B, no action was taken on 18A.

What I keep hearing from people around the country that are involved in the administration of the ASA JO Program is that, they believe they made a mistake by not including 18A in the ban of Interscholastic Collegiate players, and that they intend to address that issue in November.

What is not clear is how they will treat Club Players and JC Players that still would under age restrictions have eligibility to play 18u, the bigger question in my mind is what will the other orgs, primarily NSA/USSSA/AFA do regarding college players, my gut feeling because AFA is strong in the West is they will follow PGF's lead and ban ALL College Students from their 18u division.

Personally I have told the 4 girls from our 18u team that by age would have another year that, we will work hard towards putting together and 18o/23u team, it doesn't bode well for ASA that they cancelled the 23u Nationals this year due to lack of interest, and they also cancelled the Womens Major Nationals for the same reason, the 23u might be a function of holding the event in Portland, OR.

It will be interesting to see what happens, there is also the fact that despite ASA "caving in" to almost all of PGF's demands, the rumour is that PGF is expanding to 14u next year and will cast a wider net for 16u teams for their championships that will be held the exact same week as the ASA Nationals.

I cannot see anything as divisive as this appears to be being a good thing for anyone, and particualrly the girls, where will the best exposure occur? From a strictly D1 and Major School standpoint I think PGF will pull the coaches there, but for every one of those schools there are 3-4 D2/NAIA/D3/and JC schools if not more, it will be up to the coaches from those schools to determine where best their limited recruting budget will be spent.

Sorry for going on the whole thing has my head ready to explode because of all the aspects of travel softball it will affect.

It's too bad that when Ohio starts filling their ASA/USA Nationals Berths it appears that ASA is not the clear choice for some teams...Go figure...LOL

I just saw the question about an effective date, you can bet if they make the change it will be effective for 2011, just like Gold and B were.

 

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What is the date for the fall convention. How soon after convention does rule change take effect immediately? Is there grace period like the pitching distance in high school had?

The 2010 convention is November 6-12 in Shreveport-Bossier, LA. I expect the changes will take effect in 2011 just like the changes did this year.

There has been a lot of speculation about possible changes. It will be interesting to see what changes are actually made.

 

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It would be nice if ASA would recognize that teams form now, not in the spring, and make changes that go into effect a year later than is now the case. Also, I wonder whether ASA will go back to the Sept. 1 date as a cutoff. I always liked that better. With about half of the 18-U eligible players probably being blocked out, might as well go back to Sept. 1 and more or less keep kids in the same grade together.

 

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The 2010 convention is November 6-12 in Shreveport-Bossier, LA. I expect the changes will take effect in 2011 just like the changes did this year.

There has been a lot of speculation about possible changes. It will be interesting to see what changes are actually made.

Thanks for information. Wonder if this will impact DD and her last year at 18u.

 

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So what do you do if you are an 18u team who has some college players on it? Change schedule and play 23u or fold team or drop the college players and be a weaker team?

 

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Dont hit the panic button just yet , everyone is going to have to sit on thier hands until after the meeting....... ****s to have to do that but we do not realy have a choice

 

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I agree Tim. Being a little jittery at this point may be called for but no need to go into a full tantrum until we know. ;&

 

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We just take all of em and make one great 23U team and play where we can!

 

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Good strategy. :lmao:

 

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Do outgoing college freshman softball players really want to play another year of travel softball? For most of them they have just had a year where they realize that college softball is a J. O. B. .... I would think many of them would just want to take some time off before they start working out for fall ball. I guess allowing them to play for your team would depend on what your team make up is. If you are an age specific team you may take a college player. If you are an 18u team that loses and adds players every year based on graduation I would think you would stay away from kids that have already played college softball.

 

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Very good point flarays.
We have some of our recent players who actually are asking if they can play this summer. We are full, but they are going to look for another team to play for if possible. I told them to take a break and enjoy the summer.

After they graduate college it will be work, work, work, not much time off so enjoy it now.

 

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Any more word on this?

We have two college players on our 18 U roster returning. Both have played for me for 7 years now and this will be our last summer together. Thanks

 

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You also need to consider the purpose of your team. Many showcase tournaments seem to have begun instituting rules not allowing college players to participate. I believe compuware, stingrays, and orland sparks all have this policy in place.