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Jack Jenkins*said:11-04-2014*01:50 PM

Instructors: Are they needed?

This is an interesting topic that I have discussed myself multiple times. It started for me when I was coaching with a childhood friend years ago (and before I became a hitting instructor). I said to him: "You know, when we were growing up we never went to hitting or pitching instructors, we just figured it out and we did just fine." Now I see a discussion about it in the General discussion group, and I think it is an important discussion to participate in and have an opinion on.

Along with passing on my knowledge about hitting in this format, I want to also discuss the overall athlete's experience and instruction is a big part of this. When "...we were growing up..." was a very different time and when I said "we" I was referring to boys, also a very different scenario.*

The times were different and a majority of our time as kids (and especially as boys) was spent outside playing the games we loved. For me, and most of my friends, a big part of the rest of our free time was spent watching sports. These two factors provided a different sort of instruction, the desire to play, compete and just survive (sometimes with much older kids) and the natural training that occurred by watching hours of sports gave us something to imitate...and thats how we learned. A survival of the fittest sort of scenario. My Dad played football and was a great teacher of the sport but never was my coach. He never played baseball, so I had an even stronger need to figure it all out on my own or with the help of my uncle.*

Again, these were very different times... we were allowed to leave first thing Saturday morning, or any morning in the summer and walk the several blocks or miles to the playground and not come home until dark. We ran all day, played all day and competed both as athletes and for our place in the neighborhood. There were fights, there was bullying and it was not always easy. Everyone on here had a similar childhood, and to a greater or lessor degree it was tough. But we learned and thrived and went on to be decent athletes who played in High School and the better ones made it to College to play. Also, as boys we mostly all gravitated toward and were encouraged to play sports. It didn't take long in this system for the kids who were not athletic, or did not enjoy sports to find their place in advanced classes, band or theater. It just worked itself out more naturally.

Today kids are not afforded the opportunity to leave the house and just be gone all day playing. Their free time is filled with mind engauging (or numbing) video games, computers and 400 TV channels that they don't have to get out of the chair to change. Although this does allow them to "go places" and "learn things" in a way we did not have, it also creates the need to learn some things in a different way. This is where instruction comes in.*

I see myself and our gym (as well as other good intructors) as the playground for todays kids. It is where you should be taught not only the mechanics of pitching and hitting but also the desire to compete and find your place among other athletes. It may not be as tough, and certainly there is no bullying, but it is the enviroment that is needed for kids to get better today. In this environment I see kids who are blessed with talent and some who might not make it even in High School. But in all of these kids I see my job as helping them get better and reach their potential, whatever their potential happens to be.*

Not all kids need one though. Mom or Dad may be well suited to teach hitting or pitching, but either way they need to be taught and immersed in it to get better and in most cases it is the role of the instructor to teach and the parents then need to immerse. I can't imagine there is a professional musician out there that grew up in a house where there was no music. So even though you have an instructor, Mom and Dad also have to create an environment that supports and grooms a love of sports and a desire to compete.

So instructors are needed and play an important role. If you are qualified to teach your own child and they are progressing and showing results on the field then you don't need one. But you must be one yourself. So, the only absolute in this discussion is that there needs to be organized instruction, whether you pay someone or do it yourself, their brain and body needs to be exposed to the concepts and trained to perform them.

So the playing field is level, girls and boys have similar opportunities to learn and get better and all are allowed to think they can be atheltes. Both boys and girls should be afforded similar opportunities and should all be treated as athletes. Too many times I see girls who are treated as girls playing sports while boys are treated as athletes, (even when they aren't.) This is the environment that is sometimes lacking: watch sports with your girls, talk about the schemes and nuances of all games. Teach them to be strong, teach them how to get stronger and teach them to be athletes. In this process you might learn from them too, so keep an open mind. Although the "pros" is not a viable option for most fastpitch athletes, there are board rooms and companies that will need the skills they learned from us on the diamond...and they might teach the men a few things about how to do it better!

Thanks again for taking the time to read my posts!

Keep working toward perfection!

Coach Jack Jenkins

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Seems every girl nowadays has to have a pitching coach, a hitting coach, a defense coach, etc. Whats next, an equipment coach? A cheer from the bench coach? Then they pay thousands of dollars on private lessons. It's almost trendy now to say "Oh ya, I have a private coach." Can't a girl get good at softball on her own by just playing? Many baseball players I know that played college ball at the highest level have never had private coaches. They were good because they had talent and played a bunch. Do you really need to pay someone 50 bucks an hour and more to tell you how to catch a ball? Or how to stand in the batters box? Why is this so intense with girls? Also, this seems to be the case with camps. Do you have to go to 100 camps to learn how to catch a pop up? Thoughts?

Short answer: Yes.

If you want your kid to compete at the highest level she needs the same quality of training as other girls at that level. There are a lot of kids out there with natural talent, but if they don't have proper training and they're competing against equally talented kids who do have proper training, they will be left behind. Playing a bunch doesn't help if the kid has bad technique - practice doesn't make Perfect, practice make Permanent. That doesn't mean that every "trainer" is equal. Be careful about who you choose to train your DD.

That's my 2 cents for what it's worth.
 

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The only thing my daughters can buy is corn. My poor girls are stuck in the middle of a corn field in Iowa.
 

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Seems every girl nowadays has to have a pitching coach, a hitting coach, a defense coach, etc. Whats next, an equipment coach? A cheer from the bench coach? Then they pay thousands of dollars on private lessons. It's almost trendy now to say "Oh ya, I have a private coach." Can't a girl get good at softball on her own by just playing? Many baseball players I know that played college ball at the highest level have never had private coaches. They were good because they had talent and played a bunch. Do you really need to pay someone 50 bucks an hour and more to tell you how to catch a ball? Or how to stand in the batters box? Why is this so intense with girls? Also, this seems to be the case with camps. Do you have to go to 100 camps to learn how to catch a pop up? Thoughts?

I instruct to boys and girls. Not sure what the point is here. I know that 20 years ago no one hired an instructor, now days you have coaches and I have seen it in the lower levels, they don't teach pitching or hitting they rely on the kids to be taking their lessons. I had a daughter at the 12 u level last year and their coach never worked pitching. Im not sure if we notice but things have changed A LOT!

The fact that we have instructors in Ohio is a great thing and which is why Ohio has started to catch up with other states. I don't see it as a bad thing.
 
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Jack Jenkins*said:11-04-2014*01:50 PM

Instructors: Are they needed?

This is an interesting topic that I have discussed myself multiple times. It started for me when I was coaching with a childhood friend years ago (and before I became a hitting instructor). I said to him: "You know, when we were growing up we never went to hitting or pitching instructors, we just figured it out and we did just fine." Now I see a discussion about it in the General discussion group, and I think it is an important discussion to participate in and have an opinion on.

Along with passing on my knowledge about hitting in this format, I want to also discuss the overall athlete's experience and instruction is a big part of this. When "...we were growing up..." was a very different time and when I said "we" I was referring to boys, also a very different scenario.*

The times were different and a majority of our time as kids (and especially as boys) was spent outside playing the games we loved. For me, and most of my friends, a big part of the rest of our free time was spent watching sports. These two factors provided a different sort of instruction, the desire to play, compete and just survive (sometimes with much older kids) and the natural training that occurred by watching hours of sports gave us something to imitate...and thats how we learned. A survival of the fittest sort of scenario. My Dad played football and was a great teacher of the sport but never was my coach. He never played baseball, so I had an even stronger need to figure it all out on my own or with the help of my uncle.*

Again, these were very different times... we were allowed to leave first thing Saturday morning, or any morning in the summer and walk the several blocks or miles to the playground and not come home until dark. We ran all day, played all day and competed both as athletes and for our place in the neighborhood. There were fights, there was bullying and it was not always easy. Everyone on here had a similar childhood, and to a greater or lessor degree it was tough. But we learned and thrived and went on to be decent athletes who played in High School and the better ones made it to College to play. Also, as boys we mostly all gravitated toward and were encouraged to play sports. It didn't take long in this system for the kids who were not athletic, or did not enjoy sports to find their place in advanced classes, band or theater. It just worked itself out more naturally.

Today kids are not afforded the opportunity to leave the house and just be gone all day playing. Their free time is filled with mind engauging (or numbing) video games, computers and 400 TV channels that they don't have to get out of the chair to change. Although this does allow them to "go places" and "learn things" in a way we did not have, it also creates the need to learn some things in a different way. This is where instruction comes in.*

I see myself and our gym (as well as other good intructors) as the playground for todays kids. It is where you should be taught not only the mechanics of pitching and hitting but also the desire to compete and find your place among other athletes. It may not be as tough, and certainly there is no bullying, but it is the enviroment that is needed for kids to get better today. In this environment I see kids who are blessed with talent and some who might not make it even in High School. But in all of these kids I see my job as helping them get better and reach their potential, whatever their potential happens to be.*

Not all kids need one though. Mom or Dad may be well suited to teach hitting or pitching, but either way they need to be taught and immersed in it to get better and in most cases it is the role of the instructor to teach and the parents then need to immerse. I can't imagine there is a professional musician out there that grew up in a house where there was no music. So even though you have an instructor, Mom and Dad also have to create an environment that supports and grooms a love of sports and a desire to compete.

So instructors are needed and play an important role. If you are qualified to teach your own child and they are progressing and showing results on the field then you don't need one. But you must be one yourself. So, the only absolute in this discussion is that there needs to be organized instruction, whether you pay someone or do it yourself, their brain and body needs to be exposed to the concepts and trained to perform them.

So the playing field is level, girls and boys have similar opportunities to learn and get better and all are allowed to think they can be atheltes. Both boys and girls should be afforded similar opportunities and should all be treated as athletes. Too many times I see girls who are treated as girls playing sports while boys are treated as athletes, (even when they aren't.) This is the environment that is sometimes lacking: watch sports with your girls, talk about the schemes and nuances of all games. Teach them to be strong, teach them how to get stronger and teach them to be athletes. In this process you might learn from them too, so keep an open mind. Although the "pros" is not a viable option for most fastpitch athletes, there are board rooms and companies that will need the skills they learned from us on the diamond...and they might teach the men a few things about how to do it better!

Thanks again for taking the time to read my posts!

Keep working toward perfection!

Coach Jack Jenkins

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I concur!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I took my kid to hit in a cage one time, we caught the tail end of one of these "private lessons" that are all the rave.

The girl in the cage swung out of her shoes, almost fell down. "Hitting instructor" says "Were you above it or below it?" Girl says "I think I was below it." "Hitting instructor" says "Well swing higher at the next one."

That'll be $50.00. ;)

love seeing instructors camp out in chairs for hours on end too... I'll feed the balls, you pick them up. Now pay me. OR when you go to the cages and the instructor yells for 30-60 minutes and then gives you a bogus list that isn't followed up on... many like that.

So true on swinging out of the shoes too. Made me laugh! Thanks for that one!
 

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Well Tim, now that you have farted in church...

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was there other commentary on that thread? I'm going to use that in a meeting today... somehow, someway, it's going to happen!
 

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