Girl Softball Tournament Fee's, are they out of hand?

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This came up on another thread. So I thought it was worth starting a new thread. OP user name BA824

The thing that bothers me on rising tournament costs is for the last decade their expenses for the most part have not risen. Umps the same. Softballs the same. Trophies the same. Sanctioning and insurance the same. Very little if any change in chalk/diamond pro. The only expense that may have risen last 10 years could be field rentals. If their expenses don't rise why should entries tripled in some cases. How much money do they need to make? Just runs downhill to the parents.
 

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What rock are you living under?

In the ten years that we've sponsored a tournament our expenses have risen some a little and some a lot. How could you possible imagine that a softball tournament is immune to the costs increases that have effected the remainder of your life. All TD's attempt to balance the costs to the teams with the costs of running a tournament each and every year. We don't want to get them to high or we'll lose our teams or to low and we'll lose our shirts. A tourney that losses money will not survive.
 

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I think probably every tournament is a money maker for someone or something. Nobody does one to break even. I think the Colorado Sparkler is a good example. This is a hostage type tournament. $1700 entry fee. Must stay in their hotels, must pay a gate fee. You can not tell me that there is not some kickbacks or money going into so someone's pockets here. Everyone is entitles to their opinion. If you disagree in this its OK, but this is my opinion.

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$1695 entry fee must be submitted with application no later than September 15, 2014 to be considered for the Sparkler Tournament. All entry fees will be processed/deposited, refunds upon non-acceptance will be processed no later than Nov 15, 2014. No refunds will be issued if you cancel once your team has been accepted. A full refund will be returned if cancelled from the waiting list.

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Event format: Minimum 6 games. Pool Play to elimination play.
Stay To Play: This is a Stay to Play Event. No third party bookings are permitted (Hotels.com, Hotel Planner, Expedia, etc.). Click here for the complete Lodging Policy
Age cutoff date: 12/31/2014
Entry deadline: 9/15/2014 (Event Could Sell Out Prior to Deadline!)
Event awards: 1st-4th place team awards. 1st & 2nd place individual awards.
Equipment required:
Make checks to: Triple Crown Sports(cashier's check only)3930 Automation Way, Ft.Collins, CO 80525
Sanctioning body: Non-sanctioned,ASA rules with few Triple Crown modifications
Game Times Available? June 6, 2015, after 5 pm Mtn.Standard Time. Click on game times.
Gate Fee Information: There is a gate fee to enter Christopher Complex and the Aurora Sports Complex. All-Star Games, All-American Games, and Power Pools will play at these facilities. All other fields do not have a gate fee. All rostered players and 3 coaches per team get wristbands that will allow them entrance to the gated complexes.
 
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Some tournament organizers are For-Profit companies. Triple Crown Sports and Fastpitch Showdowns are just a couple. They must make a profit in order to stay in business. There are other non-profits, like Lasers, Stingrays, and Wolfpack, just to name a few, which sponsor tournaments in order to help raise monies for charitable events and also for the organization's teams. If they do not turn a profit, then they no longer sponsor a tournament. This is simple economics for both entities.

Let's go back and look at the history of fast-pitch tournaments. When I say "Teams", I am including organizations, coaches, players, and parents.

It used to be that tournaments were a Saturday and Sunday event. Prices ran from $150 to $300. What did this get you?

Let's start with umpires. It got you one umpire per game and then 2 umpires for the Championship game. Then teams complained about the lack of umpires so tournaments went to two umpires per game. So, the cost for umpires just doubled.

The type of facilities being used "back in the day" were most of the time men's soft-pitch fields. Men would put-up with sloping outfields and huge lips on the edge of the infield. There were people that saw the need for fast-pitch facilities and so teams demanded that tournaments be played on fast-pitch type facilities. Along with these facilities came parking fees and gate fees. Some facilities also have a Staff Fee that is separate from the facility rental fee.

Tournaments were small. Maybe 8-12 teams at the most. Teams wanted more competition and organizers saw the opportunity for more profit.

Then teams complained about having to play late Sunday night to finish a tournament. So, tournaments started their tournaments on Friday. The cost for facilities just went up.
Concessions are where non-profits really make their profit for a tournament. So, the cost for concessions is, for the most part, market driven. Some organizations try to keep prices reasonable so that they sell more. Some organizations have high concession prices to gain a for-sure profit. But concessions are the make or break for non-profit tournaments.

Teams complained about the incidentals for the tournaments, such as the above mentioned parking and gate fees so some of the more progressive tournaments worked with the facilities and got standard rates so that the fees could be rolled into the tournament fees. Some tournaments still have a Parking Fee where part of the fee goes to the facility and part for the fee goes to the tournament. To me, this is not transparent and dishonest (jmho).

The bigger priced tournaments are showcases. This is where you can really see the difference between the For-profit and the Non-profit organizations. Teams and college coaches have requested more "Niceties" since "back in the day". The tech age has driven a lot of this. Having a website that handles online registration, schedules, and scoreboards are now a necessity. This requires that organizations have a tech-savvy person or company on-hand all year. This costs money. Just how much of a wiz-bang website you want drives the price. Non-profits have Tournament Directors that are volunteers. For-profits Tournament Directors are paid. That is a cost to the tournament so that is passed along to the teams. Shuttles or golf carts are a cost that is passed along to the teams. The costs of all of the niceties are passed along to the teams.

So, that is how we went from $150-$300 tournaments to $400-$800 (or even higher) tournaments.
 
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What I don't understand Bill is how there are tournaments that are 6 gg for under $500...then you have a 4 gg for almost $700!!! Last year there was a tourney held one weekend that was over $700...A couple weeks earlier a tourney at the same facilities was 300 cheaper??
 

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What I don't understand Bill is how there are tournaments that are 6 gg for under $500...then you have a 4 gg for almost $700!!! Last year there was a tourney held one weekend that was over $700...A couple weeks earlier a tourney at the same facilities was 300 cheaper??

I hear what you're saying. One thing that I forgot to mention above are the sanction fees. Those, of course, are passed along to the team fee. How much varies between the different sanctions but I have noticed that some sanctions are a bit more than the others. What does this get a team? I'm not sure. Maybe Mike Craig for NSA and Warren Wolff for PGF could comment on that (I do not know an ASA rep).

Of course, to you, me and a lot of other teams, it looks like someone just looking to make a profit.
 

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Just check out the ASA tourney website to see pricing. Lowest ASA tourney for next year is 375 in Ohio. Alabama has a Hall of Fame qualifier for 310. Tennessee has tourneys for under 200. Georgia has tourneys for under 200. NC is in the 250-300 range. Texas has 200 tourneys. Balls and umpires cant be that much more expensive in Ohio. Ohio seems to be more in line with California pricing.
 

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We spent about $189/team just for the umpires in a 5GG tourney. (This would be for two sanctioned umpires for each game.) How can TN/GA/TX only charge $200 for an entire tourney? You'd have to provide your own field and bring two new balls......just saying.
 

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