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The work of art post by Howard was sent to me. I pulled my post, so don't get his response confused with someone else. He meant it as a joke to me. I pulled the post, since I felt it was none of our business when Howard was working with team USA.
 
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I have never met Howard and have only corresponded with him through this forum so I am not picking a side here. My only question is who are the most successful softball players and what technique do they use to hit or field ? Those are the techniques I would like to teach my dd. Are those players more athletically gifted than my dd? Certainly but I believe we should still be trying to mimic what they are doing !
 
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Nice "first" post there clear, at least "h" doesnt have to hide behind a fictious name, next time drop the jealous bit and grow a pair.... ::)
 
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I think attacking someones character while hiding behind a fictious name just shows how much of a coward you and your "opinions" are. Jealousy is such a ugly trait......


Have a nice day... :)
 
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I hope you feel better now and chill out so you don't have a stroke!

Take two Advil and get a new hair cut and you will look and feel better soon.

h
 
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Post away !

I'm changing my nickname to " HITTERDISCIPLE" or maybe "CULTSOLDIER"

Jealousy will eat you alive, let go, let go...........

(this is all just my opinion, thanks for "opening up" this site)
 
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I'm not going to take sides, ?on who teaches hitting the best. I have no idea, since I would have to work with more coaches. All l I know is my dd is LD and ?Howard can teach to those type of kids.t I'm sure from reading my posts ?everyone knows I work with him. . . ?I will post on here that Coach Mike Larabee did verbally in front of a ?large group of coaches , say exactly what you wanted to hear. ? Coach B sought out Howard and he asked ?him to help his team. ?Coach B has changed the way he now does his clinics and teaches hitting. He brought ?him to his coaches clinic to teach hitting. ? ? I have been to WSU over the years and I can attest to the changes. Read some of the posting on J J Huddle about ?Wright State. ?The facts are the facts. ? None posted by H, since he is not a member. Ask the kids that play the game and how it has improved the offense. ?The comment about coach B ?and WSU are foolish and proves you have no idea what you are talking about. ?A good coach has an open mind to change. That is what Coach B did. ? He is just one of many ?college coaches that has sought out H. I would list them, but I'm sure that wouldn't ?matter. ?The post I removed was about ?what he is doing with team USA. ?Only a few close to him know what his involvement is. ?It is not posted anywhere on here, since I removed my post.
I have never found him arrogant. ?He spends tons of his time with all these kids , has never taken a dime. Only recently did he start posting on here, since we put pressure on him to express his views. ?I for one , hope he keeps responding. ?I like hearing different ?view points. ?
 
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I for one dont appreciate the personal attack against h.

I was a rec coach from a small community, called h out of the blue, asked for help.
I am not a high powered coach, from a college or select team. h would get no credit for helping a guy like me.

H let me come to his house, watch lessons, explained in detail how I could teach it, gave me his phone number if I needed help.
H also showed me tools to help teach the hitting mechanics.

Most every kid i work with gets better. Boys and Girls. There parents call me on the phone excited about a hit they got.
My daughters avg has gone up 60 points in the first year.

Guess what h charged me for all this?
What dollor amount would you put on someone helping you improve your team, and your dd.

It was for free!!! ?He would not accept anything.
Do you know allot of people who do this sort of thing?

My dd call's him " uncle h "

Count me in as one of h's disciples.


Straightleg
 
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I got a few things that I need to say.

1. I apologize to the person seeking the hitting coach, I 'm sure this is not what you had in mind when you asked that simple question. ?I thought I would give you the name of my dd' coach. ?Did not know it would lead to this.

2. ?Howard I felt like you were attacking my dd's coach and my friend. ?For jumping to conclusions I apologize.

3. ?If I offended anyone-else on this thread, again I apologize.

4. ?I will go back to reading not writing.

Mike
 
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How in the world did I miss this thread. I felt like I just stumbled into the theater at the end of Scarface. I missed a lot of opportunities here...and where's statman anyway?
 
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man what a thread, although Howard may need more beauty rest than anyone i know, he is a great person and teacher to those that wish to learn , child and adult alike, you can call me what you wish , a cult soldier, or lemming, or what ever makes you feel good about yourself , all i can tell you is i go by numbers, stats or records , and what he teaches works, i cant speak for his kids in the cincy area, but theres a freshman in the Dayton area that uses what he teaches and is the number 2 hitter in the entire area, so you go ahead and make personal attacks all day long, and i,ll just sit on the side line and smile and be glad hes around to teach what he does
 
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I cannot begin to tell you how disappointed I am when I read through this thread. I have only recently exchanged information with Howard on this site and what we both teach are very similar styles but not exactly the same.

Both Howard and I come on here to help players and parents understand what the current methods are in todays BB and SB games to create high level hitters. Thats right I teach boys as well as girls and I teach them the same swing. Why. Because in todays game there is no difference between what the MLB player does and what the NPF player does or what the Olympic player does when they take a cut at the ball. The form and mechanics are the same at CONTACT with the ball. This also includes a large number of college teams who are now changing there methods of hitting the ball. One of the prime examples would be here.

http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/northwestern2006wcws;jsessionid=kqg71vc8u1.zebra_s

I hope you all remember this team as they KICKED OSUs butts all over the field that year. This was a good hitting team. Guess everyone forgot them? Let you in on a little secret. They use what Howard and I both teach. A high level swing with a slightly upward swing path that creates a consistent swing plane to the ball and generates tremendous power with a high average. So, if your not interested in that kind of hitting then keep doing these things here:

Grip - Line up the knocking knuckles

Keep Hands High

Squish the Bug

Throwing the barrel of the bat to the ball

Taking the hands to the ball

Taking the Knob to the ball

Staying inside the ball

Staying on top of the ball

Swing DOWN on the ball

Keep your head in

Stand TALL.

Roll your wrist

Take a long Stride

Front arm Down

All of these Cues could mean any number of things to an instructor or a coach. Myself included. AND I HAVE TAUGHT THEM TO KIDS. So, how did I go about realizing that what I was teaching wasnt working? Because my teams were hitting about 275 with very little power. Your saying well 275 isnt all that bad. Here in Texas that SUCKS. You better be hitting around 300 with power if you want to compete unless you have superb pitching. Many teams have higher batting averages than 300 at all levels.

So what made me change? It wasnt because of my team average. I happen to be attending a college look tournament with my daughter who was a pretty decent pitcher. She went up against this team and got lit up like a Christmas tree. Many balls to the fence and many into the gaps. Here was the kicker. She was throwing good pitches to these girls and they would just flat drive them all over the field. Didn't matter where the DD pitched the ball. The other part of this was these were not BIG girls. And everyone of them did something I had never seen before from a softball team. They all set up the same way to hit. We lost 7-0 and the DD was embarrassed in front of a lot of college coaches.

At that point after the game I went over to the other teams coaches and got into a discussion with them about their hitters. They gave me the name of the guy who taught them how to hit and I got in touch with him. From that point forward I started to look at hitting in a totally different way. I have spent the last 7 years studying hitters and hitting styles and there is no better style than what Howard or I teach. We are to some degree the same with some minor variations. That is because this is what the player in today's game use for success.

Go back and look at the stats for MLB in the 70s and 80s and compare them with the stats of today's players. The power and average numbers are not the same. So what was different? For one a guy by the name of Charlie Lau. Charlie figured out that if you swing down on the ball and your playing field is AstroTurf the ball will get through the infield a lot faster. So he started teaching players that method. Which was much different that the reigning guru of that time. Ted Williams. A number of those cues above were developed based on Lau's teachings. At the time they were valid for MLB. So what did we all do? Adopted those methods. They are alive and well today and still used by many coaches and instructors in both baseball and softball. Problem is the AstroTurf is now GONE.

Jump 20 years forward. The stats do not compare. The Reggie Jacksons and the George Fosters would be average HR hitters in today's game. Why? Because the swings have changed and so has the athletic ability of the players. This applies to both BB and SB. Yes, you can throw out the steroid argument if you want but you still have to make solid contact with the ball for it to go yard.

When Caytlin Lowe goes yard on Jenny Finch and just about knocks it out of the AZ stadium in 2004 during the Olympic tour you know that all of that 5'4 and maybe 110 pounds was doing something right with her swing. I will let you figure it out.

I have stayed away from these kinds of statements on this site intentionally. I didnt want someone to accuse me of being mister know it all about hitting. Just like Howard is being accused of now. If you take the time to study and do the duediligence of figureing out what works best for young players, then form an intelligent decision, based on what the best in the world do today. You might get to an honest conclusion.

Until then your waisting the your time. Even worse your waisting the time of your players or students. The sad part is they only have so many years to improve to get to reach their goals. And they dont know or care about any coach or instructors hitting agenda.

Sorry for the long post but this one hit a sore spot.

Elliott.
 
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This is what got this rant started about me?and if you look closely no instructors names are mentioned, no colleges are mentioned. There is also no mention of any travel teams or high school teams. I have some travel teams where I work with the entire teams and a core of about 80 kids I work with. We currently have about 37 kids in college so I do have some knowledge of what they teach and how they run their camps.

?Not to beat this subject into the ground...If Team USA can use these techniques of using a linear weight shift and be at the top of their game why wouldn't you want to find out what the instructor teaches before you allow them to mess with her swing?

What I have seen even at the college levels and especially around Southwestern Ohio colleges, is an attitude of this is how I hit in college, so this is what I am going to teach your daughter...the game has changed.

Look at their team batting averages as was pointed out and ask yourself if your daughter is better than the player the college coach is coaching currently?

Probably not at this point...so how come they can not convince their college team to use their techniques which they are about to try to teach your daughter while doing private lessons?

Why is their college team batting averages so low? If during their full time job they can't prove their techniques work why would you think when giving private lessons it will get any better?

Again I am repeating myself when I say swinging down or level on the ball or casting out and then starting their hips is not used at the MLB or NPF levels and by most high level college coaches and yet you are about to change your daughters swing with old techniques.

Spend $60 or $70 dollars and buy Right View Pro or Candrea's CD's and see it for yourself.

If you have cable go to the Sportsskool On Demand which is channel 1224 in Butler County on Time Warner and look at a CD of Candrea to get an idea of what was taught in 2005 and what your current hitting instructor is teaching.

Yes he has changed some things but two things he is not doing...swinging down or level on the ball!

Does it even look remotely similair?

Look at Wright States improvements and EXACTLY what Coach Larabee is teaching his college team is EXACTLY what he is teaching at his camps..he has changed and look at his team batting average for his college team.

Just my opinion...do your home work as SBFAMILY suggested...you will get what you pay for!?

Many of you, who I do not even know, ask me why some colleges teach certain styles or methods and do not embrace methods used by Team USA which is basically a linear weight shift, with a little style differences being incorporated by each person.

You also ask why some college camps do certain things certain ways and why we don?t use their techniques and I try to explain why and yes I am long winded and detail oriented just because some of you do not get it when they read a brief explanation because you may never have seen a drill or technique being used.

Many of you wonder why some of the kids from Southwest Ohio or the Midwest do not get recruited by the West coast teams or what some of you term the ?Big? Div. 1 schools.

You also wonder why X team from X state kicked your butt and what we have to do to compete with them. Keep asking and maybe one day it will all come to light. Ask Hutch how she did it and Ralph at U.T. why he has NOT and then ask that other person HOW he does it...year after year.

Now here comes the name dropping some of you are so concerned about?Crystl and I have been doing clinics in this area for a few years, trying to get some of these techniques to take root. IF you that have attended have heard her speak about me and our relationship as to teaching hitting and the methods we use to do it you would understand what I am talking about. JoeA1010 was at Toledo and I was working at Don Slaughts booth along with Leon Woods and someone ask Don how he learned so much about hitting and he said and I quote, ?I surround myself with people like Mike Candrea, Sue Enquist, Leon Woods and that guy standing over there in the corner Howard Carrier.? Joe was standing next to me and said, ?That is a pretty powerful endorsement Howard.? YOU need to ask Joe to see if he remembers it yourself.

At every clinic we do or I do at the beginning, I always give credit to the people who have given me their help in learning new methods or techniques to better teach and understand hitting.

What I find humorous is with the exception of one of them mentioned as instructors, every instructor mentioned, have all been to my house and worked with me and I did not charge them either. I did not force them to come here they asked me.

How I do what I do is not a very closely guarded secret?it is a choice supported by data and not opinions that has evolved over 19 years.

It is no secret; I never played the game, so why would you assume I would be a great hitter, slapper or pitcher? However we appear to have found a way to teach hitting that reaches out to most everyone including those that some people could not teach their techniques to because they may have a learning disability or may not be gifted?but they are having fun playing the game and hitting the ball.

In my opinion you do not have to know how to build a nuclear weapon to make it work?just when and where to push the button and follow the instructions as to where to put your head after you push it.

I will discuss what we do and how we do it with anyone and then lets compare data and prove to each other what works and does not work.

Many of you have sent me PM?s thanking me for the posts and information and you wanted to know what drills to suggest for your daughters.

I will refrain from offering suggestions or opinions and keep teaching at our house and doing clinics?I have more than enough kids and do not need anymore so please redirect your request to any instructor or person you choose.

I do not want to be a reason for someone being afraid to post or offer an opinion or promoting a cult and Elliot knows some of the sites and people I am alluding to.

I will also not sign my name as that is an issue also?

Statman, Ringer what was the old TV show saying from the OUTER LIMITS...we now give you back control of your TV.
 
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To sum up what was trying to be communicated on this thread, be careful who you choose for a hitting instructor. More than likely that instructor will drastically change the way your daughter is swinging. Do the research suggested. Most instructors will help a player temporarily hit better; look for one who will be able to continuously improve your daughter's hitting.Check the ongoing statistics of the players the hitting coach instructs.

This is about your daughter, so take the time to make sure you know what you are getting your daughter into.
 
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Whew! I don't think I have ever heard any of the students of hitting ever ridicule anyone for the way they teach hitting....perhaps they offer the other side of the coin or another way to evaluate technique that perhaps others have not thought about. Rather than take opposing viewpoints as critcism or an elitist attitude.....why not adapt the idea of taking away from the topic those ideas which may benefit your style of teaching and those ideas you do not agree with leave it alone for someone else. Not every idea will work carte blanche for every girl....but the basics of hitting seem to be uniform.....I for one appreciate the ideas on here....whatever it takes to get that extra 2-10 ft on the drive........Howard and others who teach are lifelong students who impart knowledge.....if it works for you great if not don't use it leave it for someone who it might click with.
 
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Howard you are a troubled individual and you know what I mean. You sent me a pm asking if I knew the name of the Shock coach ...the person who dared to question you on this board. Are you SERIOUS that is disturbing and manipulative.


I have spent some time looking at your previous posts and you all but name the people you have vendettas with... so many clues Howard. You are a bully.


I was thinking about all of your adoring fans Howard and I was thinking that if Exxon was giving me free gas I would absolutely talk them up. Oh well you better start your pm investigation and see if someone knows me.
 
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Hey Howard, say hi to Booger from me!! I'll try to remember to bring him cough drops next time we stop by for a lesson. And thanks for working with my girls the last couple of years. My oldest had a great freshman year in college, and my youngest has been doing well in high school. Hope you have time in your schedule for us soon.
 
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[Now here comes the name dropping some of you are so concerned about?Crystl and I have been doing clinics in this area for a few years, trying to get some of these techniques to take root. IF you that have attended have heard her speak about me and our relationship as to teaching hitting and the methods we use to do it you would understand what I am talking about. JoeA1010 was at Toledo and I was working at Don Slaughts booth along with Leon Woods and someone ask Don how he learned so much about hitting and he said and I quote, ?I surround myself with people like Mike Candrea, Sue Enquist, Leon Woods and that guy standing over there in the corner Howard Carrier.? Joe was standing next to me and said, ?That is a pretty powerful endorsement Howard.? YOU need to ask Joe to see if he remembers it yourself.

This is exactly the point who cares if Don gives you a 'atta boy'
 

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