Is Failure of Rec-Leagues and youth Softball going to hurt travel Ball?

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As I stated before in another post. I believe the failure of youth leagues softball and rec leagues softball will hurt the future of travel softball. I believe as rec ball goes travel ball goes. This statement is especially true in the younger age groups.

So do you believe the future of travel ball is in the hands of what happens at the youth leagues level?

Kind of funny when you think about since people for years have been saying don’t play rec softball move up and play travel ball.
 

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I personally don't believe it will hurt the travel softball world. If there's no rec league and you have a kid that wants to try and play softball they will find a team out there in the travel world. There's a team out there for everyone.

With That said it is kind of sad to see these rec leagues going down the drain.
 

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I have not been "around" softball as long as many of the others here. However, for my girls "rec" ball ends with coach pitch. I understand that not everyone may spend as much time as I do with my girls practicing and working on the game. To that point I would never play "rec" ball and watch a bunch of kids that have never played outside of practice attempting to not get hit with the ball. I completely understand that at 1ou the girls are still very much learning and will continue to do so as they grow as well. However, no one is learning in "rec" 10u when there are no balls put in play, the pitcher walks the max every inning. This just leads to girls not wanting to play any longer and finding something else to do. Just my 2 cents.
 

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To the point of "rec" leagues failing. At least where I am they are certainly not. Coach pitch (6-8 yr olds) this year has 14 teams at 14 kids per team (don't get me started there) this is up from 8 teams 2yrs ago. Also this is the 1st year we have 10u "rec" fastpitch and there are 8 teams, this is on top of a very strong rec program that goes all the way to 18u. So if anything "rec" is thriving up here by the lake.
 

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Travel ball starts at 10u, these days kids are starting playing different sports earlier which means without baseball /softball around at those ages, their interest will then turn to somewhere else and by the time they're travel age, they're interested in something else.
 

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To the point of "rec" leagues failing. At least where I am they are certainly not. Coach pitch (6-8 yr olds) this year has 14 teams at 14 kids per team (don't get me started there) this is up from 8 teams 2yrs ago. Also this is the 1st year we have 10u "rec" fastpitch and there are 8 teams, this is on top of a very strong rec program that goes all the way to 18u. So if anything "rec" is thriving up here by the lake.

what area are you from that?
 

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Travel ball starts at 10u, these days kids are starting playing different sports earlier which means without baseball /softball around at those ages, their interest will then turn to somewhere else and by the time they're travel age, they're interested in something else.

Travel ball starts at 8u. I coached an 8u travel team and personally know some solid coaches that are coaching 8u travel teams this season. Even the Outlaws have an 8u travel team. they do coach pitch tournaments and kid pitch tournaments.

Some quality 8u Coach pitch is fun!
 

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Travel ball starts at 8u. I coached an 8u travel team and personally know some solid coaches that are coaching 8u travel teams this season. Even the Outlaws have an 8u travel team. they do coach pitch tournaments and kid pitch tournaments.

Some quality 8u Coach pitch is fun!

I love coaching coach pitch...no stress at all ever. There is only 1 organization up this way that offers 8u fastpitch that I can think of. I wish there was more as I feel it gives the girls that do play that early a good head start in their softball careers.
 
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We combine travel ball and rec ball with our teams in Tallmadge. We even have one of the top 10 travel teams in the 10U division that spread their kids out on multiple rec teams. The softball is good. Yes, there are some very weak players but clearly there are some extremely competitive players. We have travel teams from 8U to 14U all playing Tallmadge Little League.

IMO, it is easy to go to travel ball. It is much more difficult to try and stay in the community and build the local players up. There isn't an endless pool of players to go after when someone gets upset and leaves. Right now, we have a first year 13 year old playing in our rec league. She is a stud athlete but is very raw in softball. With some work, I could see her making the HS team and then going on to college. No 14U travel team would add her to their roster right now but in a couple years, those same coaches might be drooling over her. That is what rec leagues can do that travel softball cannot.

Personally, I would love to go back to the 80s when everyone wanted to play softball and the rec league competition was very good. Only the elite players were looking to go beyond the rec league and that was usually after they became teenagers. Definitely no 8u travel ball at that time.
 

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I dont see it as a failure of rec leagues. I see it more of an expansion of travel teams. Everyone has to be on one nowadays. I remember playing Knothole growing up and there was never a lack of teams. The county and city tournaments were a big deal. Most people I played with didn't go to travel teams until 14u or high school. Knothole is struggling now because of travel baseball. I think its the same for softball. Plenty of girls would benefit from playing rec for a longer period but thats not what the vast majority are doing. There are definitely more travel teams now then there were when my oldest daughter started 12 years ago. The kids that would benefit from rec are going straight to tournament teams. Many more girls are skipping starting in rec altogether and just going straight to 8u coach pitch tournament teams. Personally I think that's a little much, but its where we are at. Lack of rec teams won't kill travel, but travel is leading to the demise of some rec programs.
 

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There has been a drop in softball participation nationwide by approximately 2 million players from 2006 through 2019 from the ages of 6 years old through 23 years old. Although the statistics weren't broken down, I can make some educated guesses. The biggest drop in numbers we would find between the ages of 6-8 year olds, HS age players and college players. 6-8 year olds would be due to rec leagues folding. HS school and college players are pretty self-explanatory. Many HS players that only played rec can't really compete against seasoned TB players for playing time. Likewise, the college players that used to be studs and starters on their TB teams find themselves riding the pine until the coach thinks that they've caught up enough to actually help the team and those players don't know how to handle that. The real problem are the 6-8 YOs. This is the time when the kids fall in love with the game. The demise of rec clubs aren't giving the opportunities to this age group that we used to have in past years while other sports are and many are falling in love with them instead. I know some communities have stronger rec programs than ever but I would venture to guess that for every rec program thriving, it's due to a neighboring rec program faltering or disbanded completely; possibly more than one. Rec ball in my area has remained steady at the younger ages with a major decrease in numbers at the older ages. Many programs that used to have teams through 18U are now struggling to field teams at the 14U level and 16U/18U teams aren't even available. If they are, often times you'll find 12U #3/4 TB pitchers pitching at the 16U level and 14U #3/4 TB pitchers pitching at the 18U level with most of them doing a very credible job against those players...at least in my area.
 

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There has been a drop in softball participation nationwide by approximately 2 million players from 2006 through 2019 from the ages of 6 years old through 23 years old. Although the statistics weren't broken down, I can make some educated guesses. The biggest drop in numbers we would find between the ages of 6-8 year olds, HS age players and college players. 6-8 year olds would be due to rec leagues folding. HS school and college players are pretty self-explanatory. Many HS players that only played rec can't really compete against seasoned TB players for playing time. Likewise, the college players that used to be studs and starters on their TB teams find themselves riding the pine until the coach thinks that they've caught up enough to actually help the team and those players don't know how to handle that. The real problem are the 6-8 YOs. This is the time when the kids fall in love with the game. The demise of rec clubs aren't giving the opportunities to this age group that we used to have in past years while other sports are and many are falling in love with them instead. I know some communities have stronger rec programs than ever but I would venture to guess that for every rec program thriving, it's due to a neighboring rec program faltering or disbanded completely; possibly more than one. Rec ball in my area has remained steady at the younger ages with a major decrease in numbers at the older ages. Many programs that used to have teams through 18U are now struggling to field teams at the 14U level and 16U/18U teams aren't even available. If they are, often times you'll find 12U #3/4 TB pitchers pitching at the 16U level and 14U #3/4 TB pitchers pitching at the 18U level with most of them doing a very credible job against those players...at least in my area.

You more eloquently , said what i tried to lol.
 

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There has been a drop in softball participation nationwide by approximately 2 million players from 2006 through 2019 from the ages of 6 years old through 23 years old. Although the statistics weren't broken down, I can make some educated guesses. The biggest drop in numbers we would find between the ages of 6-8 year olds, HS age players and college players. 6-8 year olds would be due to rec leagues folding. HS school and college players are pretty self-explanatory. Many HS players that only played rec can't really compete against seasoned TB players for playing time. Likewise, the college players that used to be studs and starters on their TB teams find themselves riding the pine until the coach thinks that they've caught up enough to actually help the team and those players don't know how to handle that. The real problem are the 6-8 YOs. This is the time when the kids fall in love with the game. The demise of rec clubs aren't giving the opportunities to this age group that we used to have in past years while other sports are and many are falling in love with them instead. I know some communities have stronger rec programs than ever but I would venture to guess that for every rec program thriving, it's due to a neighboring rec program faltering or disbanded completely; possibly more than one. Rec ball in my area has remained steady at the younger ages with a major decrease in numbers at the older ages. Many programs that used to have teams through 18U are now struggling to field teams at the 14U level and 16U/18U teams aren't even available. If they are, often times you'll find 12U #3/4 TB pitchers pitching at the 16U level and 14U #3/4 TB pitchers pitching at the 18U level with most of them doing a very credible job against those players...at least in my area.

I agree with Hitter23 and yourself. Really explains things for my area as well. yocoach shares stats that I was aware of and agree with.

A couple points of interest are in the posts being shared. The numbers actually participating in fastpitch, especially from 12u onward, in my opinion are in jeopardy. Many reasons exist but I believe a large contingent are going to other sports they believe are "easier" to play.

Every sport has its elements that can make the sport unattractive. It's up to us to keep the players "interested" in the game in order to promote the sport. Bottom line; they need to enjoy playing the game and be accepting of the challenges. Leadership took travel ball to where it is now. You take that same leadership and put its energy into development at the Rec ball level and Rec would thrive. I'm not referring to the level of competition (which Rec would benefit) but basic instruction of fundamentals would improve. Only the game in general would benefit from the efforts.

Volunteers are a rare breed. You take those same individuals out of the community programs and what is left? Understaffed volunteers with little knowledge of the game trying to do anything they can to offer instruction and participation to kids that just can't be a part of anything else. A very valid point was made about a stud athlete that's behind in the learning curve that with the proper instruction and guidance could have coaches drooling over her in a few years. There are a lot of those players out there. They need------they deserve better. We can't save them all but thru sports participation at a level they can be a part of, they may experience a success that could be a positive spark. The game can create a confidence and self-esteem to motivate them into a happier place in life. Society in general will benefit from it.

Basic instruction of the volunteers that are trying to keep Rec ball alive will boost the sport and break the downward participation trend of the game. If the volunteers knew more about the game, if the parents understood the game, the level of interest should grow. It all comes from the leadership. We need to be more understanding. We need to practice better people and communication skills. We need to be more hands on to volunteer at a ground-roots level.

I realize my comments can be very "thick" because I'm trying to make the point that there's more to the game than competition, wins, and losses. Let's quit driving the game off the end of our noses. Let's look down the road and see what's coming if we don't change our immediate mindset.
 

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its not that complicated.

less rec leagues = more travel teams than i have ever seen and wayyyyy more tournaments including B and C level only tourneys than i have ever seen. So what if there are less rec leagues because it seems like the girls are moving to a travel team be it A level, B level C level or rec level... because tournaments are a lot more fun than just playing a weekday league against the same teams all the time. Like i said in my area the rec programs is stronger than it has been in the last decade. so i would guess over all--- we still we will playing travelball fastpitch for many many years to come!!!!!!!
 
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maybe we got lucky but we didnt even think about joining fastpitch until 9- 10u. my kids played a lot of coach pitch ball before that. in coach pitch the ball is usually hit ever single time... that means balls in play, runners running, situations are different all the time. Defense is playing throwing catching... hitter hitting running etc.... i remember going to watch 8 9 even some rec 10u fastpitch and it was a complete bore fest. Walk after walk after walk... no balls put in play... no wonder our defense was so good at a young age when we jumped into fastpitch. we played coach pitch --- then when the pitching is good enough and isnt a walk fest for every batter or every game, then play fastpitch. Skip the boring part and get to build softball game IQ in coach pitch and to not lose interest in the game. Honestly - i think everything will be alright!
 

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I would say that lack of good volunteers is also an issue. When my daughters were in 8U Coach pitch there were 12 teams and it was competitive because the majority of the coaches were involved in helping run the league. As leadership left to provide opportunities for their kids to get better by playing against better competition their friends went with them. Fast forward 10 years and 8U is down to 4 teams, and the league had to be turned over to the city because the people running it didn't even have kids involved with the league anymore and no one else would help. Where are the parents who say "travel ball is killing rec ball?" They have the same opportunity to try and create a competitive Rec League. You can't bring your lawn chair to the game, sit outside the fence and expect the product to improve.

Also, lacrosse, soccer and track take less volunteer involvement and are seem to be more appealing to young girls
 

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As I stated before in another post. I believe the failure of youth leagues softball and rec leagues softball will hurt the future of travel softball. I believe as rec ball goes travel ball goes. This statement is especially true in the younger age groups.

So do you believe the future of travel ball is in the hands of what happens at the youth leagues level?

Kind of funny when you think about since people for years have been saying don’t play rec softball move up and play travel ball.
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As we seen the past few years lack of recreational leagues will impact school ball more than travel ball but there will be an impact to travel ball. Top tier programs pull from 3 / 4 hour radius so they are familiar with hosting out of area tryouts. The smaller organizations and teams will struggle finding talent to fill roster spots and will need to rely more on growth in coaching to stay competitive
 

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I believe at one time there was a list of all the girls Recreational leagues and youth leagues on this site years ago.

And if my memory is correct, they had over 300 programs listed from Ohio. In my Community they had 10 recreational softball programs. Now they only have 2 left and they are struggling to get girls to signup.

Not sure what this all means except a decline in participation for girls softball.
 

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It might not be as dire as some of you are painting it out to be. If you look at the vital statistics records for births in the United States, there is a pretty significant drop off in births starting in 2007 and continuing to 2018. Maybe there just aren't as many little girls to play softball. While our area still has strong youth sports programs, overall numbers are down in both boys an girls sports including soccer, basketball, volleyball and track. The drop off in number of teams or players may be due to the fact that there are just simply fewer people to play the game.
 

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