Is softball to expensive for the average family?

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if you ever have a coach tell you you need to play travel to help get a scholarship believe me it would help.but also you would be far better off to have dd golf or just save all the money for college.but the other side of that is my dd,s love it and we as a family love it instead of having a 2 week vacation every year we have 8-10 mini vacations of course playing deep on sunday or having an 8am game surely cuts in to that lol.but the bottom line is the girls love it and it is kind of a fraternity fastpitch parents and kids.i coach and feel blessed to be allowed to coach these wonderful young women.we dont always have a ton of money to do it but we make it.i have girls everyyear that dont even pay fees we set up fundraisers for them or i will find a sponsor for them to play some weekends some of them end up staying with us.but the friendships and great times you have are definately worth it
 
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A couple of expenses and and general thoughts: Parking fees and admission fees. These just irritate the ^&$^&$^ out of me, as we are already paying all the other expenses listed just to be there, then they tack on Mickey Mouse **** like that...A $15/person all weekend bracelet for the wife and two other DD's equals $45/tournament; some charge a $3.00 fee per parking with no in/out privileges-so if you play at 8, 12, 3 and 7, you can either spend all day at the park or blow another 6-9$/day. I do think softball is turning into the 21st century arms race. I've already heard, "your daughter is not serious if...." she doesn't have this glove, or that bat, these cleats, etc. What a bunch of ****. Kids can still play good ball with the good-bargain stuff. But, and this is what galls me, I have been told certain coaches and recruiters think you are not "Serious" without high-dollar gear. This year, we have lost two girls from our team officially for "injuries", privately-due to expenses, and we are one of the lowest priced orgs. around. Unfortunately, I don't think the situation will imporve. The haves will continue to thrive, the have-nots will be ran out of the game. I had the temerity to ask at our Rec meeting if the 10$/game/ump increase in ump fees means they will actually learn the strike zone and the rules-a lot of regualr folks are actually being ran out of the sport because of the cost, as muc as we don't like to hear it, and the fact ump fees went up when the overall economy went down is a joke.


This was the same argument used by people we knew in the rec leagues when we left it at 11u , not yours word for word but along those same lines when there was alot fewer teams and the price wasnt much lower for fees for those teams than it is right now. College coaches could give a rat a$$ less what equipment you use. Equipemnt like underwear is a personal comfort choice, my kid uses the 79.95 dicks specials for gloves, has for years, has sliders that looked like they had been used in combat,dont get caught up in all the hype about high dollar bats....... most of the dads that buy 300 dollar bats have kids with 10 dollar swings, take a wal mart bat and put one out and see how fast walmart gets a run on it......... just enjoy the game and seeing your dd play and cherish the memories your making

Tim
 
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This issue has been discussed in many threads under different titles however the message is the same....what is their plan verses you forcing them to play so you can brag my daughter took it to the next level?

I had a parent tell me her kid would never play D3 as she is better than the other girls on her team and then told everyone on OFC she was going D1 and guess what? It never happened and she is not even in college!

You need a plan and guess what the kid has to buy into it also.

I would say the cost to tote them around at a top level schedule is about $4,000 dollars, hotels, meals, gas, equipment for the most part. For some of you that may start at 12 years old so lets say for the next 6 years you may spend $24,000 dollars, some a little more or less. Do not forget to factor in your vehicle expenses also as it is a cost. Plus time off work if you do not have vacation time to cover it. Plus ER visits, x rays, MRI's, PT and lessons or maybe she does not need lessons and is just gifted.

Now what school do you wish her to go to or does she even have a clue yet and where can you afford to send her? OK still too young to decide so we wait a little longer. By the way how are the grades coming along? All the money you are spending on pitching lessons, hitting, catching etc are also a factor. Who are you taking her to for work ethic also? If she only practices with the team and when she goes to lessons then you need to keep an eye on the grades or did I mention that? Yes we have kids who have full academic rides and walked on the team and want to play because they love the game. You can not make them love the sport and do not compare your kid to someone elses kid as you do not know how or why they do or what they do either but their kid seems to work harder and gets good grades. Do you take them to every college clinic in the state for learning techniques or exposure? That's right we have not been able to select what she wants to do yet or what college she wants to attend and the clock is still ticking and you my friend are spending a lot of money. Do you have a college fund set up yet as many started that when their kid was born or very young.

In your plan how often does she practice on her own? How much does she really want it? Have you even talked to her about it or this what YOU want?

Students loans are an option as every one wants to bring in $40 to $100,000 dollars into their marriage as debt to each other. How are the grades coming along? 2.8 GPA as a freshman in high school? No problem as she will get a 4.0 her sophomore and that if she can pull that off it will be a 3.4 GPA! Whoops it did not happen again and she got a 2.75 and now it is 2.755! Oh well there is her junior year! Get the point! Without the grades it makes getting academic money even more difficult!

Worry about her grades and have a plan and if that includes softball it is even better HOWEVER do not plan on soft ball paying for college as it is very difficult especially if you do not see them practice on their own unless you are requiring it and if that is the case you better worry about their grades as that may be your only way to reduce your costs...in my opinion!

Some of these kids would be better off not playing soft ball in high school and focusing on their grades and also improving their ability to get in shape and train. Then play travel ball and pick the right school that your daughter can get an education at and possiblly play soft ball. :D
 
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I think it depends on the level and the committment. Travel can be expensive, lots of meals and hotels. Not all families can afford a 2,000 dollar summer.
 
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Everybody in travel ball takes this sport very serious but are basically there for 1 reason, getting a scholorship to college. Wouldn't it be a great idea to give 1 young lady and her family the same opportunity that most of us sacrific for, that same chance? I beleive it would be a great way to pay back to the sport. Take a young lady who can't keep playing because her dad's company closed his shop to move the work to Mexico, and let her play for free. Of course her family would have to take care of all of the other stuff like food, gas, hotels, etc, but wouldn't it be a great example to set for our children. How quick are we to donate to other countries that are struggling but we don't help those right here in our own neighborhoods. I think it would have to be the right situation but something every org. should concider. Or if you are a company owner and know of a family that can't afford it, offer to assist with the expenses. There are alot of young ladies that have had to give up this opportunity because their parents lost there job. Is it time to give back? Sometimes all I hear on here is how good my DD is, and my DD did this and that. Lets not forget the others in the "fastpitch family". If travel softball is truely about being a "family", stop and think about those who really want to continue to be apart of this but just can't because of the expenses. Pay it forward now and it could last a lifetime. God bless all...:)
 
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With the state of our economy being what it is and job losses we haven't seen in decades, is travel softball a sport that only the well off can afford to do. Most people I have talked to look at travel softball as a investment to get their DD's into college. Has this sport become to expensive for the average family of 1 income to afford? What are your thoughts?

I'm going with a "no" on this. All the families of kids on our team are what I would consider average working folks. We'll play 60-70 games this spring / summer at an average cost of $500 per kid after sponsors. We have been very proactive in getting corporate sponsors and fundraising to keep the fee down. However, we have parents who are single income, divorced, putting themselves through school etc. who think this is enough of a priority to pull it off. Certainly there is no arm twisting going on.
 
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But well worth it!!

I don't know if its well worth it! I mean my kid plays the game at a pretty high level but I can think of a dozen other things I would love to spend $6000.00 on every summer!
 
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yes!!!! i took a second job just to pay the fee...i take all the ot i can get to pay for travel ball expenses..not even counting pay to play in high school...
 
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Everybody in travel ball takes this sport very serious but are basically there for 1 reason, getting a scholorship to college. Wouldn't it be a great idea to give 1 young lady and her family the same opportunity that most of us sacrific for, that same chance? I beleive it would be a great way to pay back to the sport. Take a young lady who can't keep playing because her dad's company closed his shop to move the work to Mexico, and let her play for free. Of course her family would have to take care of all of the other stuff like food, gas, hotels, etc, but wouldn't it be a great example to set for our children. How quick are we to donate to other countries that are struggling but we don't help those right here in our own neighborhoods. I think it would have to be the right situation but something every org. should concider. Or if you are a company owner and know of a family that can't afford it, offer to assist with the expenses. There are alot of young ladies that have had to give up this opportunity because their parents lost there job. Is it time to give back? Sometimes all I hear on here is how good my DD is, and my DD did this and that. Lets not forget the others in the "fastpitch family". If travel softball is truely about being a "family", stop and think about those who really want to continue to be apart of this but just can't because of the expenses. Pay it forward now and it could last a lifetime. God bless all...:)

I have been donating my time for 20 plus years and give equipment such as pitching machines, bats, balls, gloves etc to people I think will help the kids however you may be missing the point...what is your daughter doing to keep her grades up and how much is she working on her own to make her self better. You need to post in the political area for the rest of it... I resigned my position on the board of directors for the Chinese Softball Federation because of our girls verses the rest of the world as I can effect our girls personally verses someone else who controls the purse strings of others... that is my little statement!

Many of you have extra bats, gloves , balls, tees that you are not using so who deserves to have it? Search your soul and find the girl that works hard to make it to the next level and could benefit from having more resources....just a thought!
 
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Seems like most sporting activities will have you spending a lot of coin. I thought travel ball was expensive until I hear stories of my buddies daughters spending a lot of cash on dance and gymnastics. The intangibles of spending time with your DD, her team, parents, is priceless...thank goodness because no money left over.
 
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Girls kind of hit an age where Dad is the atm, bug killing, boyfriend chasing away, car buying and oil changing guy in their life. Mom is more of a confidant in their lives. Softball gives us dads a lot of time with our DD's that dads of a lot girls dont get. I am purely looking at from a dads perspective. Regardless if your DD plays college ball or not, you cant put a price on all those summer weekends we get to spend with our DD's!

Best answer I've seen. With all the $$ its going to take this summer, 8 hotel weekends and 2 East Coast national tournaments the time I get to spend with my dd is what makes it worth it.;)
 
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Common theme: Time with your daughters and families outweigh the cost.... I 100% agree with that.
 
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I agree with Uber also. We never got into travel ball with the intent of our DD getting a scholarship. If your in it for that reason only your better off putting your money in a college savings fund. You will get a much better return. I enjoyed my DD playing as much as she did. It was a reason to travel to places we wouldn't normally think of going. It was always a family weekend, eating out, hotel swimming pools, hanging with the other families on the team, and most of all spending time with my daughter. If the scholarship never happened, I would never regret spending the money. I know it's a cliche now, but those summers were priceless. Someone once posted the different sports and the amount of average scholarship money available and what percentage of players actually ever see that money. It's a small percentage. So again, enjoy the experience, keep it fun, and if the scholarship happens that's just a bonus.
 
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I might be wrong however that has happened before....some of you still do not get the message....money is part of it however what is your plan? Just to keep throwing money at it and saying spending time with my daughter is so wonderful! How is she doing in school now? What is her grade point average or do you even know? However I bet you know her batting average and RBI's! What school would fit her needs as to education or have you even discussed it? Is she is playing high school ball and has she been to any of the conditioning? Wait I just heard someone say you know those open gyms are a joke anyway! So what has she been doing on her own if you think it is a joke?

This is why you really need to look into the mirror and say is high school ball going to get my daughter into college? If she is struggling with her grades now and trying to play high school ball, you better get you head out of the sand and wake up because it does not get easier! They will spend 20 to 30 hours a week on softball in college. They will also work concessions for football and basketball games and yes they will call their friends and relatives begging for money for their college because softball makes no money! This is why keeping the grades up is so important as she still might get more money for her grades than she will for her ability to play softball!

Is she practicing just when she works out with her team or goes to a lesson or is she working out on her own? Maybe you can buy work ethic at Walmart as I do not shop much anymore and it has been a while!

Many of you will be looking at a $100,000 dollar education bill or a community college education as that is all you can afford with a pipe dream of would have, could have, should have done things differently echoing in the back of your mind! However look at the bright side of it as if she goes to community college you will be spending more quality time with her as most likely she will still be at home living with you. Some of these girls can not even take care of them selves as to washing clothes, shopping at the grocery store, balancing a check book or putting air in their tires.

Crystl and I talk about this at the clinics and why it is important to have a plan and to keep their grades up.

Carol, Dan, Shayne how do you make a good walking taco anyway? :D
 
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Geez, I thought that I posted the following type of response earlier today, but it's not showing up.

It went something like this: I would like to expand upon Howard's allusion to Division III. While no athletic scholarships are available in Division III, ask me whether the college applicant with kick-butt softball, academic GPA, and test scores receives more than the same applicant without softball talents. Division III is definitely an option for softball players, but as Hitter says, you have you have to have a plan. We have a player whose parents have told their kids: decide what you want to do and then make a plan. While we think that it is important for the player to know that the plan can change, it is definitely easier to write the recommendation for the player who has developed the plan. When you can say to the coach, " your school offers the following course curriculum" for this player's current plan, it's very cool.

Also, don't underestimate the important of deciding whether your player is a "Big School" kind of person. Small Division III schools offer a lower teacher to student ratio and a type of "it takes a village" approach that isn't possible in the Big School environment. Big School works for many: see Punchout's daughter. And Division III works for many. But as Howard says, a plan is the most important thing and the quality of walking tacos is just a sidelight.
 
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I agree with Uber also. We never got into travel ball with the intent of our DD getting a scholarship. If your in it for that reason only your better off putting your money in a college savings fund. You will get a much better return. I enjoyed my DD playing as much as she did. It was a reason to travel to places we wouldn't normally think of going. It was always a family weekend, eating out, hotel swimming pools, hanging with the other families on the team, and most of all spending time with my daughter. If the scholarship never happened, I would never regret spending the money. I know it's a cliche now, but those summers were priceless. Someone once posted the different sports and the amount of average scholarship money available and what percentage of players actually ever see that money. It's a small percentage. So again, enjoy the experience, keep it fun, and if the scholarship happens that's just a bonus.

At least you have a plan...some do not have a clue and think their daughter is soooo good that a full ride D1 school is going to be knocking at their door based solely on their softball skills and have no clue as to what their grades can do for them. We just had another one sign for 80% athlete money and the rest on grades. She has a 3.8 GPA and plays basketball and softball and she had a plan since she was in the 8 grade.

You are enjoying the moment and having fun doing it and that is great also.
 
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1/2 of 1 percent get a full ride, normaly pitcher/catcher, the rest is a small amount, could be large enough to help cover a small part of tuition, or small enough to help with room and board.........
 
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1/2 of 1 percent get a full ride, normaly pitcher/catcher, the rest is a small amount, could be large enough to help cover a small part of tuition, or small enough to help with room and board.........

You and her have had a plan for a long time!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice to see her be 1/2 of the 1 % :D

Not many get to this point and we are proud of her, very proud of her!
 

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