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This weekend my daughters team played up in Zainville Tournament for the weekend.
We picked a few girls a few months ago who left a team due to the head coach removing one of them because he didnt like the father and the other left standing up for the child that was left without a team. The girls were our pitcher and catcher and played very well during the tourney. The assistant head coach of the team came over and put his lawn chair right behind our team and got on his cell phone with the head coach and was (loudly) reporting every pitch, catch and move these girls made on our team. He did this through the whole game, finally one of the parents asked him to please move away enough that the girls couldnt hear everything he was reporting about them and so they could play ball. He refused and told the parent he wouldnt leave. He did this for our whole game. Do you think a head coach and assisant coach should be trying to taunt 12 year old girls like that? Concerned... :-[ :-[

 

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It just shows that the 12 year old girls are more mature than those two coaches. Were you playing the team you left?

 

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My daughter was not one of them, but no the team we were playing was not even them.
They werent scheduled to play us at all.

 

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Unfortunately there is nothing you can do to cure ignorance. It is a disease that strikes adults far too often in youth sports.

I am sorry to see the players and other parents had to be there to witness this retched disease first hand but for them it can be a learning expereince as well. I guess that in the end the two players and thier families knew that they made a good choice.

 

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Yes, I think your right. It just worries me that it will happen to more girls next year.
Apparently the team even kept the girls money after removing from the team and they had only played a couple of tourneys. They were told a refund was coming but never did.

 

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I will say this was a total disrespect for the two girls tyring to play their game with their team. I'm not going to mention which team the coaches were from, but the girls have been playing on my team. I don't know what exactly happened between the two families and the other coach, and frankly I don't care. All I know is that about 2-3 months ago I had posted a thread on OFC looking for a couple of 12U girls. I got a phone call from one of the parents saying that one of the girls was removed from the team by the head coach. After a couple days went by, apperently the coach had told the other girls that as long as they were on his team they were not allowed to communicate or be friends with the girl that he removed. The parent that called me then in return pulled their daughter off the team because they did not like the coach telling their daughter who she could be friends with. (which i would agree) Anyway, I picked these two girls up and I must say.... What was the coach thinking. These two girls are great players. Every since they started playing with us, we have not seen the other team at any tournaments. Just so happened both teams were playing in the Jamboree. We were not in pool play together and we never was in brachet play together. One of the coaches did come to our game and sit in a chair behind my girls dugout and give play by play on his cell phone so that everyone could hear him. At one point even the head coach, that let these player go, came over and sat with him. One coach even exchanged words with a parent that asked if they would please go to the other side so the girls could not hear them. I was really disappointed with these coaches and hopefully they can now let it go that They are the ones that made the mistake .

Chris Cain
Sudden Death Softball

 

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So I guess they must have lost if they were just hanging out watching and giving a play by play then. They can dictate who the girls can be friends with? Please, they need a life...

No one asked them then for their money back? They should have just said that's ok, we'll just take what's in your wallet and call it even or that Cell phone would cover it as well....

 

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Is there oversight regarding behavior of coaches? Can a coach be sanctioned by ASA, NSA, or PONY? Are we on our own in guessing whether coaches are safe and competent?

As we approach tryout season, keep in mind that your daughter will spend a great deal of time with their team and coach. Is this person the role model that you want in your child's life? Talk to other parents. Consider if the coach is the right person for your daughter and family.

 

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Is there oversight regarding behavior of coaches? Can a coach be sanctioned by ASA, NSA, or PONY? Are we on our own in guessing whether coaches are safe and competent?...

Other than asking around, and observing the coaches throughout the year, you're pretty much on your own as none of the travel sanctioning bodies have a "black list". If you haven't been able to observe them, try to talk to the current (and former if you can find them) players and parents on the team; everyone will have a bias one way or another, but you may be able to get an inkling of what to expect.

 

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Sounds like a great pilot for a new soap on daytime TV...... Whatever happened to just playing the game for what it is and leaving the drama at home?

 

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i'm sure "ringer" has a blacklist somehwere....along with

which umps to bribe
which coaches DD throws 60/has 5 pitches
which statmen to bribe :
where to get the best walking tacos, etc....

;D ;D ;D
and now to my next thread to hijack!!!

 

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The Bear can copy and paste the section , but High School went to back ground checks on coaches even the volunteers. We started this in our Rec programs. I think traveling ball needs something, not sure what , but we are asking our young DD's to be around someone that we don't know much about !

 

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But a background check is only going to show things that are on public record like arrests and such. We lucked out all of the coaches our organization are completely sane and awesome with the girls.

 

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yeah, but backgrounds check don't red-flag people for being jerks

 

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I thought it was interesting that the player was asked to leave because of a parent. First, you don't seem to have any problem with the parent. But, most importantly, the coaches acted like maybe they needed to be removed from the team.

 

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That behavior is nothing more than pure aggression towards a couple of 12u girls. Those coaches should be embarrassed and their team should be ashamed of them, not to mention remove them as coaches.

Chris, I think your parents showed great restraint by not removing them (wink wink).

 

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It's too bad the names of the coaches and the team name can't be reported on OFC. That is the kind of information that needs to get out to the softball world so other players and parents don't make the mistake of playing for coaches like that. When going to a new team you can't ask enough questions to the new coaches and parents that have played for the coach in the past.

 

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rfgirl,

Coaches and/or teams (to include parents) that exhibit unacceptable behavior/sportsmanship at tournaments are usually not invited back to that tournament. It is the same as if I invite a coach/team to my home and they cuss and rant and rave, I ask them to leave my home and never come back.

This is one way that we (the fastpitch community) can somewhat sanction out of control coaches. Tournament Directors do talk to one another about how their respective tournament ran and learn lessons from each other. Word travels about who is not invited back.

Is it fair to the girls? I do not think so unless they think that acting like a flaming jack*** is normal behavior. This is where the parents need to take action with the team/organization and institute change.

I'll step down from the box now.

 

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When I read something like this I am totally shocked and amazed by the behavior of an "adult" (and I use the term loosely), who displays such vicious and immature behavior. ?I too commend the parents who remained under control and tried to handle the situation in an ADULT manor by asking him to leave. ?I think it would have been very appealing to use the self-serve method and "help him leave the area" . ?
As always, it's the "adults" who embarrass themselves and their families, typically not the players. ?What seems most disconcerting is the antagonistic and taunting behavior displayed by the coach. ?I can't imagine being 12 years old and being harassed by an adult male. ?I imagine the girls might even have been afraid, certainly uncomfortable and distracted.
I do hope the organization that these coaches represent confront them and deal with this appropriately. ?As always, there are two sides to a story, but it's pretty hard to see the other side with this! >

 

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Looks like this one has run it's course as much as it can without getting too ugly.....