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Ndsoftball dont forget that PSU thought they were special too. (And in no way am I trying to associate the two schools in any other way!)

I believe sherman1 hit the nail on the head when he said colleges are businesses. I agree totally.

I also would go one step further in saying that Ive always believed that athletes that have no real intentions of getting an education in college have no business participating in colleges athletics.

Maybe someone needs to open Basketweaving University so that the athletes that just want an inbetween step from high school to the pros can go play their sports without interfering with the higher education process...

(I'm thinking I should probably delete this before I hit post reply...)

No my friend hit the reply because I agree with you.... Big time college athletics are a business. Look at the revenue they bring in. But look at graduation rates of some of these schools for athletes. ND has top tier athletics and is at the top of the NCAA for graduating athletes.

 

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No, what is at heart of the matter is that Notre Dame is losing its core orthodox Catholicism by not accepting a kid with a 3.2 GPA with a 22 ACT who is a great Catholic, and a great shortstop, but accepting a 4.0 GPA student with an 30 ACT score who could be a hard core athiest, and not so good as a shortstop.

What further complicates ND's troubles is how little the kids are taught in its theology, and how little they believe in the mass, transubstantiation, trinity, apostolic succession, or the passion, but yet they will tolerate Muslim students asking for crusifixes to be removed from classrooms, because it offends their faith. By the way, I wonder how heavy is the student attendance on Sunday at the Bascilica, and how many of the non-believers attend the 10:45 mass as well?

When Bo came to Notre Dame, he gave his commencement speech to the students, and was not allowed questions, so no dialogue was apparant. His mandates offend us, as they were intended, and so much for the dialogue with the USCCB.

No disrespect intended, but ND has pushed the academics far beyond the needs of the Catholic base it serves, and filled its faculty with secularists that have their own agendas. Unfortunately, it has lost its shine, and daughters like mine don't see the difference between it or any other state school. What the heck has happened?

First of all they would take the better shortstop, I know this for a fact. Second, so your saying only Catholics should get into ND? Third I've never been to a commencement speech where the speaker took questions from the students. Fourth lets just agree to disagree because in my eyes nothing has happened to ND and the dome still shines. I understand your points and they are well thought out and educated, I just humblely disagree.

 

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I'm glad my post wasn't taken the wrong way ndsoftball. It wasn't meant to be offensive.

Sounds like ND is doing something right, based on what you report.

I do find it aggravating that soooo much emphasis is placed on athletics at higher ed institutions when in reality students should be there to learn and prepare for future employment.

I think athletic programs do such a disservice to student-athletes (mainly male athletes) from higher ed all the way down to elementary school by prioritizing athletics over education and grades.

Let's face it the vast majority of student-athletes will end up in the workforce not on the field or court.

 

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I'm glad my post wasn't taken the wrong way ndsoftball. It wasn't meant to be offensive.

Sounds like ND is doing something right, based on what you report.

I do find it aggravating that soooo much emphasis is placed on athletics at higher ed institutions when in reality students should be there to learn and prepare for future employment.

I think athletic programs do such a disservice to student-athletes (mainly male athletes) from higher ed all the way down to elementary school by prioritizing athletics over education and grades.

Let's face it the vast majority of student-athletes will end up in the workforce not on the field or court.

Not offensive at all. I think it is sad that some of these kids get to go to school play a sport for 4 or 5 years and then get tossed into the real world unprepared for life because they studied basket weaving just to stay eligible for a sport. So no offense taken everyone has a right to their views and opinions.

 

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Agreed