Orville scores and drop dead limit

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Does anyone have the first day scores from the orville tournament? Also if a coach is stalling to reach the time limit doesnt the ump have an obligation to move the game along. After a great comeback to take the lead our girls had 2 outs and 2 strikes on batter when time was called. score reverted back to last inning and we lost. This after a conference on the mound discussions with batter and calling runners in for instructions The coach went ballistic parents were mad and fans confused. :-?
 
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh the joys of summer softball. Coaches strategizing to give their team an edge, parents cheering their kids on, (sometimes to a fault, and not always positive), fans screaming bloody murder at the umps..... ?now where do the kids actually fit in???

We are doing this for the kids right?? ?All that ranting and raving and strategizing etc... is done so the kids will benefit right??? ?:-?

If you are coaching a team and you actually think it's your job to win the game, you may be in the wrong arena. Oh coaches do have a responsibility to prepare and motivate, and coach their players as well as strategize within the framework of the game. ?BUT .... LET THEM PLAY THE GAME!!! ?It is not a coach's job to influence the outcome of the game with underhanded tactics. If that is what this coach did, then I suggest he/she is in it for him/herself and not for the kids!!!
 
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I agree. We are here to teach these kids how to play THE game, not how to play games. Score from last night in our game was Portage Shockwave 11, Nordonia Lady knights 1. We had 4 or 5 errors in the first inning but Portage is a good team. There is a thread on the ASA tournament list on OFC
 
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sounds like strategy of a coach out to win at all costs. But rules are rules and we live and die by them. :-?
 
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This is an age old question.

Coaches and team will live and die by the rules set forth by the tourament. If you do not like the rules, DON"T BLAME THE COAHES. take a look at the rules. Jeez... peple are so ready to blame the coaches and not the tourney rules.

Drop dead is just that... it forces the coachess to play another game. Why? well, it is the RULE.

Completing inning will prevent forcing the coaches to play that game.
 
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GFOD Thunder-Yeater ?1 ?
Boardman All-Stars ?3

GFOD-Yeater ? 9
Wooster All-Stars ?1

GFOD-Yeater ? 6
Nordonia Lady Knights ?2

GFOD gets the #7 seed and plays at 8:15 Sunday morning against Wooster All-Stars

Portage Shockwaves, Pittsburgh Pride-Walters?, Diamond Dominators all go 3-0


GFOD-Collins goes 2-0-1, not sure where they are seeded.
 
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Personally, I hate drop-dead time limits. If a time limit must be used, I prefer games played with a "no new inning" after a set amount of time. At least you give both teams the same number of at-bats and let a team finish what it started.

Of course, timed games are a necessary evil in tournaments with a great number of games to squeeze in and a limited number of fields to work with. Anytime you put an artificial time constraint on a game designed to be played without a clock, stalling can rear its ugly head. Of the two, there always seems to be more problems with "drop-deads" than with "no new inning" time limits.

To answer Chicoflip's question, yes, the umpire does have an obligation to prevent illegal stalling. The penalty to the team illegally stalling is first a warning, then possible forfeit if the stalling tactics continue. In fact, the umpire has an obligation to keep the game moving along at all points from the first pitch to the last!

But the actions described- a visit to the mound and a conference with the runners or the batter- do not necessarily equal illegal stalling. The rules provide a set number of charged conferences by both the defense and the offense. These legal conferences can take place at any point of the game.

If a conference with the pitcher is legal in the first inning, the same conference is legal in the last inning. All the umpire can do is enforce the rules covering the number of conferences allowed, not when they are taken. He can also ensure that the legal time out does not last an inordinate amount of time and get the game moving along as quickly as possible.

He can also, at his discretion, limit the number and length of other time outs taken that are not covered by the charged conference rules, such as meetings between the pitcher and catcher, batters requesting time while at bat or by runners wanting to dust-off or adjust their equipment.

One pet peeve of mine is umpires that do not enforce the time restrictions between innings. The rules state that a pitcher may throw five warm-up pitches and they must be taken within one minute of the completion of the last half inning. How often do you see that rule enforced?

Add two or three minutes to the down-time between innings, while the defense slowly wanders to their positions, the catcher is still in the dugout scrounging for her gear or the pitcher takes multiple warm-ups in excess of five, multiply that for both teams and you have added perhaps 30 minutes worth of non-game related activity to the game.

Or, when dealing with a timed game, it might be better to say that you have actually subtracted 30 minutes from the time limit with the lack of hustle between inning changes. Those 30 minutes can make the difference between getting all your innings played, or even one team being on the short end of the stick when the game-ending time limit kicks in.

Drop dead time limits might stink, but if you enter your team in a tournament where you know they are in place, you have to accept the possibility that your team will be put in a position to have the time limit bite them in the rear.
 

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