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I have a question - my dd is a "floater" for basketball - not getting much playing time on varsity but still dressing. The question is . . .. she is the catcher for the varisty softball team can she still go to pitcher/catcher practice when it starts on 2/20? The basketball team has their first tourn. game on 2/23. Is there a OHSSA rule against it??

 

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My daughter is in the exact same position. There is no OHSAA rule against any student participating in two sports at once. It would be a coaches rule that would keep a basketball player from going to softball practice. I would talk to the bb coach, let him know the situation and in a very polite way tell him that your daughter will be at softball practice also.

 

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Being a HS softball coach, I have never had to worry about this situation, coaches are not usually very understanding though. ?I agree that communicating with the BB coach needs to be done, but don't take it too hard if, he or she, is not warm to the idea. ?Best bet would be to finish out BB season, you won't be that far behind if at all. The first couple weeks is basically just conditioning, so you should'nt miss to much. ?Your HS softball coach should understand your commitment to the BB team, and know that you'll be there as soon as the BB season is through.
JMHO
Coach Yeater

 

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As the others have said, there is no rule against doing both. But while I have great empathy and respect for any girl anxious to start softball season, I wouldn't even dream of asking our basketball/softball girls to start with softball until basketball is finished. I think they have an obligation to give 100% to basketball until it is done.

We even give basketball girls a full week off after that season if they wish to take it. No one ever has, but it's there for them.

 

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What he said. ;D

 

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Bottom line OHSAA ORG rules state you can play on whatever up to 30 days prior to the championship game in your schools division.. where all the restrictions come in from is the individual coaches rules. At 14u I hAVE A FRESHMAN who doesnt even pitch for me and just started throwing. Her high schoool coach is making her leave our team sat Feb 18th because that is when he has marked for his catchers and pitchers to start. We have a qualifier2/25 and 2/26 at the Spano she is not allowed to participate in. This for a freshman that may see some jv time.
Are there any more 14u teams out there loosing players for this tournament due to similar situations

 

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lightningcoach:

4.7) Participation in indoor fast pitch softball is not a violation of OHSAA non-interscholastic team Bylaw 10-3-3 for student-athletes.

I do believe that you are playing an indoor tournament at the Spanodome.

By the way, 1st day of coaching for pitcher's and catchers is Feb 20. ?So if the HS coach is planning on starting Feb 18, you might want to mention that he is 2 days too early.

 

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You are correct wvanalmsick. Indoor is not a violation she can play. ;D

 

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If by any chance the BB coach has a problem with it, Just let the AD settle it. Since it's within the rules, your daughter should be good to go on the 20th.

 

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If she is a freshman TECHNICALLY she is not officially on the high school team yet correct? Because aren't there tryouts (and this is her first time trying out for the team) and an official announcement made in March as to who made the team? So she should be able to play in the tournament in February since she is not officially on the high school team. Also, what WAVE16 mentioned indoor ball is not even considered softball.

 

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A student is not an official member of a team until their school team has a scrimmage or game against another school team.

 

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i appreciate all the replys starting with wv but here is my point. i am well aware indoor is not acknowledged by ohssa i also know officially what the dates are for pitchers and catchers. here is my point it is the coaches discretion on all this for the most part and he/she is the one that told the girl ,not my daughter as i would not tolerate it , she had to quit playing. i wont mention schools just say lodi area . why would a coach not want his player to be able to compete against excellant competition as opposed to throwing in a gym. sorry but it doesnt make sense to me. next maybe this coach will tell his/her players travel ball is bad and you cant play. i guess maybe i forgot how many state appearances that program has.heres a reminder about a simple fact travel ball 9 months a yr high school ball 3 simple math tells me something there.

 

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AS a high school head coach and a travelball coach I understand why that coach might not want her to play in the spano dome tournament...(I don't agree with it) , but....What if she gets hurt and is out for a lenghty period of time and then that high school is without one of its better players....just a point from the high school side. I also know anybody can get hurt at anytime. As for starting on Feb 18...Against OHSSA rules. In fact you know that they can do whatever they want until they have participated in a scrimmage or preview. I hear your point too that it is the High school coaches rule that she doesn't play... He/She MIGHT hold that against the girl as to making a JV or Varsity team. Aren't coaches a pain in the BUTT!!! hahahahah

 

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HEY PHIL
The injury thing may pan if the girl was not an umproven freshman on a team with a very mediocre history. I HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT COACHES BEING PAINS LOL
TOM

 

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what does the math tell you?

 

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DO54
Here is what it tells me in my opinion. 9 months of training along with over 120 games played (against competition overall far superior than a short high school schedule ie nationals at disney against ca and fl teams. should have high value. So should the thousands of dollars each player parents spends for this and for the professional trainers and instructors brought in to work with the players.
?Before you or someone else decides I am playing down high school ball I want it known I am not. At the same time High School coaches must give travel ball the respect it desearves. Though most do I KNOW SOME that donot . This is my opinion which we are all entitled to. Remember its the High School coach not letting the player play not me doing the same
do54 I realize you are both a hs coach and; as am i, the head of a travel organization. I would like to believe school ball and travel ball can exist and work with each other. It must with you but that is not the case everywhere all the time unfortunately.I commend you for making it work.

 

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Coaches have rules that they have set to keep discipline in there team. If a coach decides to waver from his rules, which could be a show of favortism, this could undermine his program.
As far as playing on the weekend, the softball coach really has no say, until its time to put the players on the field this spring, and your DD might not be there.
I have only a few girls from my HS team that play travel ball, but I know each of there coaches personally, and we try to work together, this can only benefit both of us.
As in anything in life, more communication between the affected parties would help considerably. In most cases, if more communication was between those involved, instead of voicing displeasure on a forum, more could be resolved.
JMHO

 

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I've got three or four of my incoming 9th graders playing at GFOD this weekend. I'm quite happy about it. In fact, I'm going to try to go watch at least one of the games if I can make it Saturday. That's going to be 7-15 at-bats each of them will get against live pitching, as well as some catching time for a couple of them.

Of course they could get injured, but they're practicing MY sport! If we didn't want our girls to risk injury playing the sport in which we coach, the girls would never be able to do anything other than from Feb. 20 to the end of high school season. It takes not even one second's worth of thought for me. Not only are they welcome to play tournaments this weekend from my end (and right on up until the time the OHSAA says they can't), but I'm pretty happy that this is exactly what they are doing.

I can't quite figure out the reasoning of some coaches. I'll be more than happy to have all of the girls who want to play indoor tournaments this weekend.

 

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I agree with Joe 100%. Why any coach wouldn't want his/her girls playing & practicing to make them better is beyond me. Any time the girls are swinging the bat, seeing & fielding the ball they are getting better in my opinion. I honestly can't think of a good reason why H.S. coaches wouldn't want their girls playing or practicing the sport they love.

 

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Lightning- Thanks for the kind words. Getting back to the original post, players that are playing for their HS basketball team need to remained committed to that team until their season concludes, regardless of their ability or playing time. Committment, and honoring our committments, are something we all should be teaching our ladies.

Regarding HS vs. travel, once the high school teams officially begin practice, the committment should be with that team. With the HS season being a short one, the ladies should be committed to that team from 2/20 until May or whenever their tournament is complete. After that, it's time for the travel program to be primary until the fall (if they play fall sports).