Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Pitchers, whats most important?

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stp12. This article if you click back to Home is him trying to sale something by Ernie. ? ?I follow Doug and Bill's teachings on pitching. ?So I differ on how you teach a pitcher. ?Plus I feel like he is more into making $$ . ?He is big into all the different devices you can buy from him to make you a great pitcher. I bought his DVD killer Riseball. I bought Bill Hillhouse's DVD on the riseball . ?Wow what a difference in teaching. ? So It's just how I feel. ?Pitching and hitting can be taught many different ways, so you try to find out what is best ?and what works..

Well, everybody has there own opinions and rightfully so. I'm not just ate up with Ernie or anything but he certainly has an impressive resume if you look at the pitchers who have trained under him and what they are now doing. Also, that device that you are talking about, one of my friends from Michigan got one and said that Gillis had recommended it to him.

 

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There comes a point in time when the pitcher needs to reach down and carry her team. I'm not saying every game, but during the course of a long week end tournament, sometimes the defense must step up, and other times it's the pitcher. If the pitcher relies strictly on ground ball outs, and her team is having "one of those games", it can get ugly. If, however, a pitcher can throw in the 62 - 65 mph range, she can "reach down" and carry the team past some defensive mishaps. JMHO

 

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Hands down..(IMHO)

For older age divisions Fastballs should be "infrequent" to be effective..

For younger age divisions....Whatever they can throw and locate...(as they work on their own they will add pitches in game situations)

 

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"I want a pitcher that can produce outs, don't care if it's a strikeout, groundout, or a fly out." ?

Someone, during a conversation about styles and types of pitchers, made this statement to me a few years back, and it really stuck with me.
They went on to say how strikeout pitchers usually throw alot more pitches over the course of a game, because of having to work the count, and generally being around the plate more with the ball, producing foul balls, and a few more walks. ?Very rarely do you see a strikeout type pitcher, strike someone out on 3 straight pitches. ?I have seen more 3 pitch innings ?than 9 pitch, strikeout innings.

If you have a pitcher that can produce ground ball outs, and flyouts, they customarily have shorter innings. ?If you look back through the OHSAA game recaps of the softball championships, over the last few years, you will see the winning pitchers throwing 70-80 pitches in 7 innings, with very few strikouts.

This leads me to believe that placement and ball movement is more important than pure speed.

You nailed it.

 

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In a standard 7 inning softball game, how many pitches constitutes a "perfect game"?

 

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In a standard 7 inning softball game, how many pitches constitutes a "perfect game"?

A perfect game is a game in which a pitcher (or combination of pitchers) pitches a victory that lasts a minimum of seven innings and in which no opposing player reaches first base. ?Thus, the pitcher (or pitchers) cannot allow any hits, walks, hit batsmen, or any opposing player to reach base safely for any other reason?in short, 21 up, 21 down. ?The amount of pitches plays no part in deciding a "Perfect Game."

 

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Sammy, I'll give it a whack ...

A Perfect game of 7 innings pitched would be 21 pitches to get those 21 outs.

 

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This was a "trick" question posed to my DD several years ago by her pitching instructor. The intent was to get her thinking in terms of how many pitches she actually needed to throw, and her fatigue factor.

In regards to pitching a perfect game, the pitch count doesn't really matter for a statistically perfect game. It could be well over 100 for that matter, but that's a LOT of pitches. The intent of the question is to get the pitcher thinking about efficiency in her pitching - making every pitch count.

Looking at it from that perspective, she would have a 21 pitch game with NO strikeouts. Every batter would either ground out or fly out. She would pitch a perfect game statistically for the books, but she would also have a lot of gas left for a tournament run.

This got my DD thinking more about inducing weak ground-outs rather than just strike outs. Therefore, low pitches, drops and change-ups became more a part of her pitching arsenal. There's no guarantee a low pitch can't be taken yard, but at least up through 16u, it's a lot less likely than a flat waist high fastball.

P.S. The question really should be "What is the minimum number of pitches needed for a perfect game?" For those with a DD who pitches, try this on them. It's interesting to see their perspective. 63 pitches is a very common answer, because they're thinking about fanning every batter.

 

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Sammy---excellent post!

Really got me thinking about how it doesn't have to be about the pitcher ?striking every batter out. ?It's about relying on your team mates and pitching balls that, if hit, will be much more easily fielded for the out.

Guess I knew this all along, but sometimes it's kinda easy to lose sight of this.(especially if dd is a pitcher) ?

 

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yes great post ... tHis is why I spend all the time on here to get all this great info without paying for it...lol plus I can have a cold one at same time....... ;D ;D

 

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,I love exetremely
fast pitchers who pitches strikes,I don't like to take a walk,I don't like to let the infield off easy.I like to
put pressure on the infield,any way i can,I think the hardest pitch to hit is a fast pitch with some movement.
ManitouKatie