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MD, entering is taking the 1st pitch as I understand it. Ran into this in a PA tourney. After the batter got a sign and saw the 1st pitch Blue required one foot stay in the box the rest of the at bat. We didn't get any strikes called against us because we had a quick discussion with the girls in the dugout. I did see another team get a couple called against them.

 

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Glad we didn't have this problem this past weekend at the doom tournament but I think we sure had everything else. I've never seen a stike zone vary so much. I'm not just talking game to game, it was from pitch to pitch. These poor 10u girls had no idea what they were supposed to swing at because of all the bad calls. Are all ASA umps this bad or did it just happen to be at this tournament?

 

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Heck it was so bad Friday night I would have even paid Quakerman double to do our plate .... just kidding!

I was sitting at home three miles away....LOL

For future references to umpiring in Goshen.... these umpires had NONE of my crew. Not one single person.

So Warren Jones came to town, huh? :lmao:

Doug, since in 2011 you are having ASA events in this district... maybe by then ASA will figure out where they are going to get their umpires and give their district umpires the first choice of events in the district instead of "farming" it out like they did this year.

My guys would join if they wasn't only getting two events in the district... which happened to be mine in September. I can't blame them.

Believe you me, I'm scared straight at what umpires I am going to get at my Hall of Fame events. Truly scared.

 

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I was told by our UIC that ASA wants to make a point of emphasis this year along with illegal pitches. The issue that we ran to in Greenville, is that we didn't know this was coming and the teams and umpires were caught off gaurd. We had a lengthy discussion with the umps after the first game in which it was called and all #$%$ broke loose because nobody (parents, players, coaches) knew the rule and why it is being enforce in this manner. Even the umpires were not all in agreement with how and when the rule should be enforced. We had a meeting with our UIC and we are going to include a "notes from the UIC" section in the coaches packet before the tournament so the coaches know exactly what the umps will be looking for and what rules are a point of emphasis. That way nobody is caught off guard like in Greenville, or Goshen or .........

 

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I too was told by a few umpires that "ASA" was really going to enforce the "Illegal" pitch rule during 2010.

Also heard this during the NCAA games.

Hope this doesn't become a real problem this summer.

 

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our lead off in the very first bat of the game got called "strike three batter out" for this rule on Sunday at Doom tourney. Yeah, we had some ****ed off people.

 

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For future references to umpiring in Goshen.... these umpires had NONE of my crew. Not one single person.

Hopefully that is true. I believe I saw your umpires in action at Pastime last year and I hope I never see them again. Coincidentally, that will also be the last time I see Pastime Park.

Umpires in our games were fine besides the knitpicking in our game vs Lasers Black, but I did witness the unbelievably huge strikezone in the Doom 95/Laser Black game.

Honestly I have no idea how the umpires were selected, but it is definitely something we will look into for next year.

 

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we had a goooooofey ump on Saturday. He is a "known" tool in the local Milford circuit. Wooow. Not sure what he was watching, my center fielder or the pitcher. What a real card...

 

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To the best of my knowledge, ASA did not make this a point of emphasis in any of their pre-season materials or training.

I wasn't at this tourney and don't know who was told to enforce what, or what might have been emphasized. Generally, calling a penalty strike for the batter leaving the box should be a RARE call. The umpire has some discretion in applying this rule and should even issue a warning before applying the penalty.

The rules covering this...

- After being directed to do so by the umpire, the batter has 10 seconds to get set in the box. If she does not, a penalty strike for delaying the game may be called.

- Between each pitch, the batter's have the same 10 seconds to get set. ASA does require the batter to keep one foot in the batter's box between pitches- with exceptions. And it is a long list of exceptions! The batter may fully leave the box:

- After swinging, bunting or slapping.
- When the ball is batted, either fair or foul.
- When forced to by the pitch almost hitting her.
- On any wild pitch or passed ball.
- When any play is attempted (steal, pick-off, etc.).
- When the pitcher leaves the pitching circle or the catcher leaves the catcher's box.
- If she accidently thinks it's ball four.

With that long list of exceptions, about the only time a batter absolutely has to keep one foot in the box is on a non-swinging pitch!

Umpire instruction I have received has been to NOT be overzealous about making this call. Issue warnings before issuing penalty strikes. Be even less zealous about this if the batter's are NOT delaying the game.

This rule is aimed at speeding up the game, preventing batter's from going half way up the third base line for signals between every pitch. The rule isn't supposed to be used as a "got ya!" kind of thing, where the umpire is focused on calling penalty strikes for the minor placement of the batter's foot.

If batters are staying close to the box and getting set within their alotted ten seconds, there really isn't anything for the umpire to address. If they are delaying the game, then issue warnings before resorting to penalty strikes.

 

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Sorry, but I have to make a comment on some earlier posts in support of what immamom said ... all teams do deserve good umpiring and yes, it would be disrespectful to all other teams to put a more veteran crew with the "stronger" teams. What is said and decided behind the scenes is up to the TD and UIC, but I would be PO'd if I heard a conversation like that and my game ended up with lesser umpires, to the extent that I would not return to that tournament in a future year.

 

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our lead off in the very first bat of the game got called "strike three batter out" for this rule on Sunday at Doom tourney. Yeah, we had some ****ed off people.

We also had a "strike three batter out" due to this rule in a very close game on Saturday. Alot of PO'd folks on our side too.

 

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For future references to umpiring in Goshen.... these umpires had NONE of my crew. Not one single person.

Hopefully that is true. I believe I saw your umpires in action at Pastime last year and I hope I never see them again. Coincidentally, that will also be the last time I see Pastime Park.

The two Posrtsmouth ( Scioto County ) umpires... talked about in this thread earlier by MD as Scioto County's best, is the ones you had problems with when they threw you out of not one game... but two that weekend.

You didn't seem to have a problem with umpires at the Fall Laser's Event in Goshen... nobody did as a matter of fact. They was all my umpires.

 

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The two Posrtsmouth ( Scioto County ) umpires... talked about in this thread earlier by MD as Scioto County's best, is the ones you had problems with when they threw you out of not one game... but two that weekend.

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They told me there had to be contact to get runners interference, when I told them contact was not necessary to make the call one told me to "shut up" I told her that was not very professional the other threw me out. I guess they don't like being corrected. The second time was because two of my girls fouled balls off their feet while in the box but they called the balls fair and girls were put out at first. Third time it happened my girl was safe at first then they decide to call it foul. I told them they finally got one right, but I guess they didn't take it as a compliment.

 

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The two Posrtsmouth ( Scioto County ) umpires... talked about in this thread earlier by MD as Scioto County's best, is the ones you had problems with when they threw you out of not one game... but two that weekend......

Nice!!!!! You brought your "A" game that weekend!!!!:lmao:

 

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I too was told by a few umpires that "ASA" was really going to enforce the "Illegal" pitch rule during 2010.

Also heard this during the NCAA games.

Hope this doesn't become a real problem this summer.

I would like to address two issues: new umpires and illegal pitches. In our Dayton tournament two weeks ago, we had a newly certified ASA umpire who did not understand illegal pitches and/or call illegal pitches. It was absolutely frustrating. I understand umpires are often times to give the benefit of the doubt to the pitcher, especially in younger age groups, but as a long time pitcher and pitching coach, I can't help but disagree. All pitchers, specifically the young ones, need to learn proper mechanics early on. Once muscle memory sets in, those bad habits are incredibly difficult to break. In my opinion, the umpires do pitchers a disservice by not calling illegal pitches. Girls need to learn the proper, legal way to pitch.

 

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The two Posrtsmouth ( Scioto County ) umpires... talked about in this thread earlier by MD as Scioto County's best, is the ones you had problems with when they threw you out of not one game... but two that weekend.

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They told me there had to be contact to get runners interference, when I told them contact was not necessary to make the call one told me to "shut up" I told her that was not very professional the other threw me out. I guess they don't like being corrected. The second time was because two of my girls fouled balls off their feet while in the box but they called the balls fair and girls were put out at first. Third time it happened my girl was safe at first then they decide to call it foul. I told them they finally got one right, but I guess they didn't take it as a compliment.

I can not condone such behaviour - we are no longer friends.

I thought for sure I was tossed in our game. All I could hear was my wife sitting next to the fence saying 'Mike, take a deep breath, take a deep breath'.

 

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I can not condone such behaviour - we are no longer friends.

I thought for sure I was tossed in our game. All I could hear was my wife sitting next to the fence saying 'Mike, take a deep breath, take a deep breath'.

Yea I thought you were gone too. I think it's that nice head of hair you have that makes you look so mild mannered.

 

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I have no problem with any of the umpires strike zones as that is one thing that I do not argue- I may not like it but you simply do not argue it if you know what is good for you. If they are constintly call pitches that are over the batters head maybe say something or if it bounces in the dirt first then maybe say something.

My big problem is with the ones that are not in position to make a call- we are all human and make bad calls but as long as they are in position to make the call then it is my opinion vs theirs and they are wearing blue so I may not like it but I give them the benefit of the dought that they were in a better position to make the call.

When the base umpire is at third base watching the runner from third take home and then actually makes a safe call verbaly and with his hand signal that the runner at home is safe then realizes that there is a play at first - duh the batter and after the play was over at first for 15-20 seconds call's her safe too- thanks for the update at first but we all saw it as it happened and know that she was thrown out .- we lose the game 1-0

What did he forget he had a partner called the home plate umpire??

Play at plate and catcher drops ball umpire made call imediately safe but did not wait to let the play happen prior to making the call. WAY too many quick calls - take your time and see that the play has developed and finished then make call we will all wait as you have the final say anyhow. just my too cents

 

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I do NOT know if this is true or not. But was told Saturday night before our last pool play game at the Doom Tourney that a lot of the umpires there were from ASA Umpire Schooll??? Well if the ones we had were getting graded, they would spend summer school learning the rules and a strike zone.

 

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There were a hand full of ones that do teach the school and the mandatory meetings each year but only a hand full. The others well lets say they probably have not been around long enough to attended any classes.