Players being held hostage

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I cannot stand it when coaches hold players hostage by not releasing them off there rosters. Coaches it's about the kids not you.

 

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Coach - having been on both ends, there really isn't that much a coach can do if a player decides to leave. I always figure if they don't want to be with team, then the team is better off without them. ;&

 

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Im sure there's a story ,circumstances behind this ,lets hear it before we start mentioning names,let's get the facts then make our own decisions.

 

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you don't get it... some believe they own the players.... get with the program. These types of unethical coaches will mess with their heads and seasons because they left. Refund and move on... here we go...

Yeah, they signed up to be a part of a team and an contract may or may not exist... point it the contracts usually provide a passage to leave. For us... pro-rate their fee and say good luck! Hope the best, no grudges... because... afterall.. we are human and things change. And you know what, maybe, just maybe they'll be back. And in some cases, welcome back!

 

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Coach - having been on both ends, there really isn't that much a coach can do if a player decides to leave. I always figure if they don't want to be with team, then the team is better off without them. ;&

Like button not working completely agree

 

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Depends on the situation whether a refund is issued; after all the costs are supposed to be split across team... ;-)

 

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Re: the original post, I agree should always release. But I also agree with CoachTEA on the refund thing ... depends on what's been spent already, and what you're able to charge a new player who fills the spot on the roster. If they leave in the fall, that's one thing. But if they leave now when you already have bought uniforms and paid for all of the tournaments, where does the refund money come from? And if you get someone new in to take their place, they already have to at least pay for the uniform ... if you get more than that from them, then perhaps you can refund the one who left. But to me, you leave this time of year, you shouldn't expect to get anything back.

 

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Depends on the situation whether a refund is issued;

I agree. People that leave a team mid-season shouldn't expect a refund. If a team does give a pro-rated refund, they need to factor in the cost of uniforms, equipment and how long it takes to get a replacement. The team should not take a loss on it.

The only valid reason for holding up a release is the player owing money and/or not returning team gear.

Note: Agree with Coachjwb - started writing this before he posted.

 

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What about when the team has done nothing and are not living up to all the fast talking bs they talked at tryouts????? anyway you look at it its about the kids not parents or coaches!!!!

 

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What about when the team has done nothing and are not living up to all the fast talking bs they talked at tryouts????? anyway you look at it its about the kids not parents or coaches!!!!

that to me is a buyer beware issue... research... and your question and answer session before you decide. And if it's a new org... ask yourself why again and why would I chose "YOU or YOUR ORG" over an established org. Don't get me wrong, new org's are constantly popping up and probably some for valid/good reason, who am I to judge... but in today's watering down of the game, how many more do we need to see pop up and is their a real root cause for this epiphany of a new org to sprout up?

To curb the refund issue, our fee and pro-rate includes a portion that isn't refunded. $150 covers those aforementioned things such as uniforms, insurances, etc... after that, pro-rate. And a smile. Simple. Up-front. Done.

 

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Or how about if there is no refund being asked for??? Player just wants to play!!!

 

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Or how about if there is no refund being asked for??? Player just wants to play!!!

Contact the sanction(s) - they'll usually release the player.

 

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Im sure there's a story ,circumstances behind this ,lets hear it before we start mentioning names,let's get the facts then make our own decisions.

Actually nothing to do with anyone I know at all. Just making conversation on a pet peeve.

 

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Contact the sanction(s) - they'll usually release the player.

About 3 years ago, I overheard a conversation between an obviously irate parent, and the regional director of a sanctioning body. The parent was inquiring about what their rights are to obtain a release. The RD explained that it's between the two parties (Parent/team), and the sanctioning body would not intervene on anyone's behalf. As a last resort, the RD recommended going the legal route if their wishes still could not be met.

Not advocating in favor of this, as I feel that if a player does not want to play for you, there would be no valid reason to keeping her from playing elsewhere. Just stating what I overheard to be the stance that the sanctioning bodies take in these kinds of disputes.

 

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We release you, as Lester stated I dont own a player. We do not refund. your fees are already spent. the contract they signed states if you are released for breach of your player/parent agreement or you quote you will lose the fees you have paid.

 

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We release you, as Lester stated I dont own a player. We do not refund. your fees are already spent. the contract they signed states if you are released for breach of your player/parent agreement or you quote you will lose the fees you have paid.

Jay,
I understand what you are trying to say, but what if the breach is by the organization/team? For example they promise a certain schedule at try outs, then deliver something completely different? Just saying it is not always the player/ families fault. I think it also depends on whether all the expenses are paid, like if uniforms have not been ordered then that should be refunded. Anything already spent is not in question.

JMHO

 

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Jay,
I understand what you are trying to say, but what if the breach is by the organization/team? For example they promise a certain schedule at try outs, then deliver something completely different? Just saying it is not always the player/ families fault. I think it also depends on whether all the expenses are paid, like if uniforms have not been ordered then that should be refunded. Anything already spent is not in question.

JMHO

...caveat emptor...

 

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...caveat emptor...

So are you saying it is OK for a coach to do whatever he wants to recruit without any recourse? Confused.....

 

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Jay,
I understand what you are trying to say, but what if the breach is by the organization/team? For example they promise a certain schedule at try outs, then deliver something completely different? Just saying it is not always the player/ families fault. I think it also depends on whether all the expenses are paid, like if uniforms have not been ordered then that should be refunded. Anything already spent is not in question.

JMHO

Andrew I agree, I can only speak for our org. We have a detailed team profile with our expectations and goals for the year. Everything is laid out on the table. A lot is open ended based on where we are as a team. If a player and i'm talking from experence here, quits to go to another team because she is not good enough to play in my infield and leaves me short handed, should she be refunded? Need less to say she was not. LOL

 

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You're going to have to excuse my ignorance on this one, so humor me please. Does someone really cross check a database somewhere to see if a kid is really on a roster somewhere else? If so how is that daunting task done? I know kids that play in the same tournaments for different teams in the same weekend, or different tournaments with different teams in same weekend, or different tournaments in two age groups in same weekend, or are picked up to play in World Series at the end of the year all the time without ever being "released"