Possibly putting your daughter in harms way

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The whole thread about the stolen money and merchandise made me think, and I came up with this question.



Would you let someone coach your daughter if you knew that your daughter could benefit from there personal instruction even if it could possibly sacrifice her safety or well being just at the chance at improving her ability?


 
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Unfortunately most parents will not know if there coach or org leader will put there daughters goals ahead of there own agendas or coachs freinds,favorites .
 

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I would never put any child or grandchild in a situation where they are having regular contact with a person who has been known to steal from or to have inappropriate contact with minors. And yes, someone who steals from travel organizations or schools is stealing from children. Even if the parent rationalizes that they are going to be always there and supervising things, what will invariably happen over time is that this person will eventually gain trust and the guards are going to get dropped, and either bad things are going to happen or your child is going to be put in a situation that is uncomfortable to them. It is our duty as parents and grandparents to protect our kids from this ... they trust us to put them in contact with other adults who can be trusted. You have an obligation as a parent to do a little research on people your kids on going to be in contact with.

I just can't believe that some parents continue to shirk these responsibilities ... and it really bothers me when they knowingly put their kids in harm's way if they think it might help them financially (e.g., getting good instruction that might improve their chances of a scholarship, etc.).
 
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Thanks for posting this, Warren ... if this discussion serves to "wake up" one parent, then it will be worth it ...
 

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I would never put any child or grandchild in a situation where they are having regular contact with a person who has been known to steal from or to have inappropriate contact with minors. And yes, someone who steals from travel organizations or schools is stealing from children. Even if the parent rationalizes that they are going to be always there and supervising things, what will invariably happen over time is that this person will eventually gain trust and the guards are going to get dropped, and either bad things are going to happen or your child is going to be put in a situation that is uncomfortable to them. It is our duty as parents and grandparents to protect our kids from this ... they trust us to put them in contact with other adults who can be trusted. You have an obligation as a parent to do a little research on people your kids on going to be in contact with.

I just can't believe that some parents continue to shirk these responsibilities ... and it really bothers me when they knowingly put their kids in harm's way if they think it might help them financially (e.g., getting good instruction that might improve their chances of a scholarship, etc.).

Wonderful response Coach! I know of problems, financial, misdemeanor etc with some softball situations, and my DD will not be allowed to associate with those people, even tho they are used by kids.she knows. Too much more to life than softball to put a child at risk of any kind. After all, for the vast majority of girls who participate in tb, and even those that go on to play college ball, it ends all too soon and there is no way I want a situation that can and should be controlled to affect her life forever. There is enough left to chance that is beyond the control of us mere mortals without placing our children directly in harms way intentionally.
 
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There is enough left to chance that is beyond the control of us mere mortals without placing our children directly in harms way intentionally.

Isn't that the truth! I do so much in just daily life to insure my child's safety and well being I would never put her in harm's way intentionally. I don't care how good the instruction would be, it is not worth it.
 

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I think it's a great question Warren that at first may seem like it's easy to answer. However, if you think about it a little longer, then it's not always so easy.

I definitely believe that there is a clear answer for obvious things regarding protecting the safety and well being of my child. Thieves that are known to destroy teams, steal from the girls, and will leave my DD (and others) without a place to play, coaches who make inappropriate sexual comments or, worse yet, actions towards the girls that they are coaching, coaches that may threaten or actually proceed with physical violence against the player, coaches that will completely degrade and belittle players on a regular basis - it is easy for me to say that absolutely not. It is not worth going through that for instruction - you can find good instruction to improve your daughter's abilities. You may have to drive further or pay more for it, but in the long run, the total cost is much less in terms of psychological damage (or worse) that could be inflicted from the other type of coach.

Where this question becomes a little more difficult is what I feel is a "gray" area. I think smaller actions can be thought of by some to be damaging to the well being of the child, while others may feel the actions are just a part of sports, life, and "character building." This may very well depend upon the personality the girl themself has. Just as an example - where my DD goes for catching instruction. She responds very well to them. However, they are tough and tell it like it is. He sometimes curses. My DD is OK with it because she knows that they also support her and are positive - way more than they are negative. However, some girls just don't respond well to any kind of negativity - they shut down. Not knocking those girls - it's just part of their personality and they would respond better to a different type of instruction. For some parents, they may feel that taking their DD to him would be bad for the well being of their child, where as I don't feel that way about it at all. There could be countless examples, but I think it's those types of areas of well-being that get to be a little gray.

I also feel that it depends on the age group you are talking about and what the goals of those girls are. At the younger ages, where development SHOULD be the goal and they are also still developing their sense of self, then considering the well being of the girl - even in the more gray areas - is vitally important. You want to develop them skill wise, but also keep the passion for the game. However, when the girls are older, more sure of themselves, and the goal becomes college recruitment - sometimes there are more things in the "gray area" that the girl is willing to tolerate or endure in order to achieve her dream that weren't tolerable at a younger age. As a parent, I still would not allow my DD to play for a coach that I knowingly is going to do anything in the "black area" regardless of her dreams and goals. However, if there are smaller things in the gray area that she is willing to learn to tolerate and it is clear that the team, overall, is going to give the best experience and chance for her to meet her goals, then we would have to consider it. She is older now and I can't protect her from everything (even though I want to). It becomes a benefits vs consequence kind of thing.
 
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I have been tangentially involved in two regional/national teams that had national scale aspirations. We were excited to be involved and the coaches had national reputations. Once we got down in the weeds things were not what they appeared from the outside.

These particular coaches banked on their reputations and were excellent at recruiting from a national pool. Tryouts were never over and guests continually were auditioned for the team. A kid maybe the starting shortstop and batting third in one tournament and be on the bench for the next. They would chew through pitchers like candy and when they could no longer carry the water they would abandon them. One coach went through 32 different players in one summer season.

Fortunately for my dd, we recognized the symptoms of a disaster brewing and found alternates that were safer both physically and mentally. Yeah she didn't get to play in Cali but she did get to play with a fine bunch of girls and parents on a regional team, my dd didn't get hurt and became a stronger player.

Your dd can be injured in many ways.
 

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Great post and some great responses. Our philosophy is pretty simple, surround your self with good people, who are good at what they do, for the right reasons and things will work out generally pretty well.

Don't over think it, or start compromising your beliefs and approach to justify putting your self or child into a sketchy situation. This goes both ways, don't miss out on a quality coach/mentor just because they may be tough or even off color at times, just keep it in perspective and make sure they have your child's best interest at heart with an approach that builds them up as good responsible people moving forward.

Those life lessons we often preach about in sports are very much a reality and make sure your kid's coaches and mentors can add to those lessons in a positive way and not the reverse.

Everyone responds differently to certain personalities and a fit for one may not be a fit for another, but bad is bad and in my experience people generally do not fundamentally change very often.
 

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Chris ... it's hard to imagine why anyone would, yet I continue to hear on an ongoing basis about parents putting their kids on teams where the coach has been known to steal before, going to a specialty coach who has an obvious drinking issue and who gives a lot of people the "creeps", going to another specialty coach who had a pretty well publicized inappropriate touching case, etc.
 
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Chris ... it's hard to imagine why anyone would, yet I continue to hear on an ongoing basis about parents putting their kids on teams where the coach has been known to steal before, going to a specialty coach who has an obvious drinking issue and who gives a lot of people the "creeps", going to another specialty coach who had a pretty well publicized inappropriate touching case, etc.

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It worked out OK for Jody Foster...


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Knowingly? NEVER...... Unknowingly, nobody knows in advance.... Now if one were to ever have done anything in appropriately to them, I'd be typing this from jail right now, because they wouldn't have had to wait for a bat to break in, it would have been broken in......
 

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Based on the situation in another thread, What are parents supposed to think when the individual is ACE Certified and passed the background check even with the record? Flawed system/money maker?
 

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Dosent it all come down to common sense? Public info is at your finger tips almost on command. How hard is it to research anyone's name and character on the web. If people contuie to go to a person or org that has a history of wrong doings then it's pretty much on the head of the parent.

One mess up can be an accident or a case of he said she said. Twice is a pattern and third time is a pretty cut and dried case of someone's behavior.

We all think deep down inside people can change for the better so that's why people keep giving chances to the offenders.

Taking your child to an instructor or team that has that bad history make so sense.

Tim
 

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Would you let someone coach your daughter if you knew that your daughter could benefit from there personal instruction even if it could possibly sacrifice her safety or well being just at the chance at improving her ability?


No way...wouldn't be worth it!!!
 

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Knowingly? NEVER...... Unknowingly, nobody knows in advance.......

Longball00 "Based on the situation in another thread, What are parents supposed to think when the individual is ACE Certified and passed the background check even with the record? Flawed system/money maker?"

I cant believe anyone would knowingly put their own kid in harms way. Now hindsight is 20/20 if you only knew now.
 

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This August I had an opportunity to put my daughter on what was last year a great team. I asked some people I knew about the coach, and from several people heard a story of theft, FBI investigations. I have my daughter play ball to learn about life, hard work, and taking the high road. We politely said no to the team, and moved elsewhere. I hear most of the team has since scattered.

So Warren, the answer is no I guess. I know quality/knowledgeable coaching is hard to find. but there is a line somewhere. I would have loved for her to have an opportunity to have played with this group of girls, but character matters, on the field and in life.
 

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