recruiting -18u gold question

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was reading on another site about gold level ball and recruiting and how the major programs (top 20 type teams ) would not see the huge majority of ohio girls because ohio , for the most part, does'nt play gold. The opinion of this writer said that girls can be seen by mid majors and get some good scholarships but the highest level was going to girls who play gold.

I pretty new at this whole thing , my kid is just 12. I have not followed fastpitch that long. Does Ohio produce kids that sign with pac 10 schools , or even alot of girls that end up at Michigan, OSU , Northwestern ? Or are those roster spots being filled by those evil girls from out west ?

just another one of these snowy day discussions MD
 
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Typically, Ohio does not produce Pac 10 caliber players. At best, a few might find there way to OSU, Michigan and Northwestern.

Question...Does anyone know if there has ever been a girl who played her entire youth in the state of Ohio and then went on to play on a Pac 10 team?

I remember hearing that Kara Guryel, the UCLA pitcher a couple years back, lived in the Cincy area up until she was around 12 years old.
 
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some girl from Greenwood or Greenville or green____ in Northern Ky has signed with Oklahoma as a pitcher. MD
 
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Might add Iowa to your big ten list. Today's USA today has the top 40 posted. North Western made # 7.
It is interesting going to team pages and see where they get players in the Midwest. Take Ohio State, 8 from out West (7) Calf , So the trend is in reverse..
 
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MD-its Kirsten Allen from Ryle High school in Kentucky who is going to Oklahoma
I do think alot of ohio girls do tend to want to stay closer to home instead of going to
far away.. Not sure why...
 
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ManitouDan said:
some girl from Greenwood or Greenville or green____ ?in Northern Ky has signed with Oklahoma as a pitcher. ? MD

Greensboro is what your are thinking of. Ryle HS is in Union, Ky.
 
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are there that may girls being recruited by the SEC , Big Ten , pac 10 , Big 12, etc ? If not i'd guess they are missing out on some fine Ohio talent . MD
 
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Does Ohio need a gold team? Is there enough girls that are good enough and want to play gold?
 
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It's been discussed before. The biggest thing holding teams back from Gold level competition is $$$. Its way to expensive to do all that traveling.
 
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like I said --I'm the dad of a 12u , I did'nt know this had already been hashed around in the past. I guess most gold events are in the dreaded west ? MD
 
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You do have to do some traveling to see real Gold competition. Team New Jersey hosts a tournament that attracts a lot of Gold teams. If you enter the Territory Qualifiers, you will also see some pretty good competition. Fourth of July in Colorado is almost a must. Best chance to qualify is Region 9 qualifier which is usually 2nd weekend of July. I have heard some good thing about Orland Park Tournament in Illinois but never been there. After that if you want to play gold teams probably have to go to west coast.
 
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Here is some very current information (in the last week)that is straight from a top 25 program, BTW, this confirms numerous conversations in the past. FYI this particular school is in the SE part of the country and in '07 was wire to wire in the top 25.

here is how the conversation went:

Coach:”we don't usually recruit too many girls from Ohio.”

“What parts of the country do you recruit from?”

Coach:”We recruit a great deal in Georgia and Florida.”

“Why is that?”

Coach:”We believe that a number of the select programs have good coaches that take the time and know how to teach their players defensive fundamentals, we can teach an athletic girl to hit, but we don't have the time to teach them to play defense”

The rest of the conversation, talked about summer tournaments and other philosophies this coach had, I would say we have a number of teams in Ohio that do a very good job of teaching fundamental defense, I would have to agree that just like the threads on this website, many in Ohio are preoccupied with hitting and to take it one step further, hitting with POWER!!

Who is to say what is right and what is wrong, that is what discussion is for and in the end we can all make up our own minds.

For myself, from observation of over 30 years in the game, when you get down to the nitty-gritty at an event like the ASA/USA Nationals, until the last few rounds, games are more often decided by which team makes fewer mistakes physically and mentally, than by offensive prowess, my philosophy has always been, play it 0-0 and get to the tie-breaker and see who blinks, everyone wants to score runs by the bucketful, but the reality is that when you play great teams they don't beat themselves with defensive mistakes, and if you present them with opportunities via errors or not getting an out when you needed to, they take advantage of it, many teams in Ohio consider it a bad inning if you give up multiple runs on errors, the great teams from some of the other states including and especially California, consider it a bad inning if the other team advances a runner into scoring position via errors mental or physical, and it is a horrendous inning if they actually score a run with the assistance of errors. Compare and contrast that with the mind set here, the reality is that when we start teaching and playing fundamentally sound defense as a rule not an exception, when we stop depending on pitchers to carry our teams defensively, that is when we will field more Gold teams, until then if you want to go to an event with top 25 team coaches in attendance, go to Colorado in July, ASA/USA 16u A's, and any of the other top exposure tnmts you can read about on www.spysoftball.com

One of our teams was at the ASA/USA 16u Nationals several years ago, one of our players, out of breath ran up to me and exclaimed, “I am too nervous to play this next game, what am I going to do!!”, I asked why?, “ I was just walking over there, and Sue Enquist and the other UCLA coaches walked past me, and one of the coaches looked at me and nodded as I passed her!”, I calmly said to her, Don't worry about it, she said, “don't worry about it, it's UCLA, what do you mean don't worry”, because dear, they aren't here to look at you!!!, I was smiling and it was all in good fun, but it was the reality, top 25 schools aren't (with rare exceptions) going to be looking for answers in Ohio to their personnel needs, doesn't mean they won't eventually find and sign a girl from Ohio, what it means is we have further to go before we have the reputation and the consistent representation at the top events, we have great players, players that have the ability and talent to make an impact at the top 25 schools, but the reality is how many Ohio teams have played on Saturday at any ASA Nationals, Illinois, Indiana who are close by, and the other powerhouse states do it regularly, those are the teams we need to play, and they aren't coming to Ohio anytime soon, when given the oportunity our girls compete very well with those teams, if you believe your girls are MAC type players then by all means do what you have been doing, maybe that is all we should aspire to for now, I don't believe that, and even if one could quantify it and say it was true, if we settle for that, it's all we will ever get, the difference will be made not by 5-10 teams stepping outside the Ohio box, but when we have 30-40 teams in the 14/16/18 ages forsaking win-loss record and venturing out, when we get to that point the level of competition will be so great, we can see 15-20 top Ohio teams every year.

At least that is how I see it, Gold is a mind set, not a talent level, most of the Calif gold teams are playing up, the girls that are 18 are playing womens A or Major, they have womens leagues in most of the top states, and the exceptional young talented players are playing against current and former college players, it takes years for this to develop, but when you see that in Ohio, it will be a harbinger of progress here in Ohio. We have the talent for Gold, so far not the mind set, at least that is how I see it.
 
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Don't let the 18U level fool you. It's at 16U the college coaches scout heavily at these days.
 
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Storm --thanks for the insight. On a much much smaller scale , that is what we are doing with our travel team at 12u. We are going out and playing all A level tournies . We might take some lumps but by golly we are getting out of our comfort zone (meaning tournies we know for sure we would go deep in) and going to expose our girls to the best the state has to offer. And play in the natls'. again this year.

I get what you are saying , the kids are talented enough to form some gold teams and compete but no one has stuck their necks out that far and committed to doing it year in and year out. I hate to see Ohio girls getting passed over by the big boys just because they did'nt play gold. Like you said , we can forgo the w-l record and step out or be happy with the MAC . Not that there is anything wrong with the MAC but why limit our girls to that level. thanks for your input MD
 
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hockeybuckeye said:
Don't let the 18U level fool you. It's at 16U the college coaches scout heavily at these days.
I've read somewhere the same thing , most of the girls playing 18 gold are 16's playing up. MD
 
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Hockeybuckeye,

That has been true for at least the last 10 years, from personal experience, there are 10 times the college coaches at the 16u ASA Nationals than at the 18u, the reason, EVERY player is recruitable, no one is playing in college, or has signed.

Having said that the 18gold is attended as well as or better than the 16u, the reason, they are looking at the girls that are playing up, and they can see, arguably, the top 64 18u teams in the country, conversely at 18A, the top 64 teams aren't there.

I have always recommended that players that are 16 eligible, rather than play with a team that will attend 18A ASA or no ASA National at all, find a competitive 16u team that is focused on playing a competitive exposure schedule, and will do everything possible to attend the ASA/USA Nationals, that is the biggest bang for the buck, playing a mediocre 18u schedule and NSA's, doesn't compare with the right 16u team.

FYI, many of the exceptional Calif teams play one year at ASA 16u then go directly to Gold, it doesn't hurt that Calif and their sector have the number of berths they have.

The reality is that many more players get on the recruiting radar that wouldn't have had that chance by attending 16u ASA Nationals.

Trust me on this from experience, coaches at the 16u are there to find players, and if you happen to go to this between your JR and SR year, they will be waiting to talk to you when you get knocked out, I have sought out and spent more time speaking about players to coaches at the 16u than anywhere else.
 
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I agree completely CincyStorm. I was only being brief and not trying to suggest 18U is not recruited, only that good talent gets grabbed early in many cases and 16U is where the pack begins it's hunt, not necessairly where it ends. :)
 
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This is probably a little off topic, but something to think about on a cold January day. Here is a link to spy softball where he has a list of 50 college "players to watch" I would assume this is the equivalent of preseason favorites for Player of the Year, and All American type status.

http://www.spysoftball.com/asa_top_50_watch_list1.htm

Lists names, position, college and hometown. It is no surprise of course with about 15 CA players. But the list also includes about 1/2 dozen players originally from Illinois. Obviously with those 2 states accounting for 40% of the players there are many states with nobody on the list. The question to me is what are they doing different in Illinois that we are not doing here in Ohio. Climate should not be a factor, are demographics that much different?
 
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DogsDad said:
....?The question to me is what are they doing different in Illinois that we are not doing here in Ohio. ?Climate should not be a factor, are demographics that much different? ?

DogsDad---Sharp observation and excellent question.

btw, (just a little sidenote) dd has met both the Findlay girls while she was at U of M summer softball camps and they are great gals, as well as outstanding ball players. ?:D
 

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