Running a Catcher Over

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We havn't seen too many malicious slides and we have played alot of ball and watched alot of games......think it is the exception not the norm.....goes both ways....blocking is part of the game, contact is part of the game......if a catcher made sure she banged bumped or attempted to intimidate other players then she also should expect high hard inside heat every time she comes up to bat! Just my opinion!
 
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LOL.. apparently Barry Bonds isn't the only one walking around w/ too much testosterone.. :eek:.

I would assume everything is fairgame if there is a play at home Otherwise we should refrain and practice good sportsmanship.
 
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LOL... You better be riding on a steam roller if you are going to try to run over one of my catchers. The runner might need the Careflight Chopper if she gets a little too brass.
Anyone who knows Hope is laughing right now.... ;)

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While alot of this "discussion" is hopefully done in jest I'd like to point out it makes my point ---- Testoterone overload by coaches and parents , even the girls, makes for a terrible situation ---leads to ugly softball. "I would assume everything is fair game if there is a play at the plate" . Is that best for our DD's ? I'll be brutally honest ----I've seen my kid looking to roll the catcher IF needed (she has not ever made any contact with anyone) and she is 11u. I've explained the rules but she says it's her job to get to the plate . Is this really where we should be with baserunning ? I'd rather it not turn into this . MD
 
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I saw WAY MORE "running down" and "plowing" of infielders in rec ball this past summer, than travel ball.
 
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Wow, this is first time I looked at this thread and for a second I thought the OFC redirected me to the WWE forum. To all those coaches and players who think bowling over a catcher or contacting them everytime they cross the plate is fair game, remember to not get upset when you get a fastball in the kidneys next time up. This is how things escalate out of hand.
 
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Hope, I too have seen this rise in malicious contact. In the 6 tournies we went to this Summer, 3 incidents of malicious contact happened. NOTHING was done. The head coach asked for rulings and none of them seemed to be willing to do anything. Where is the sliding to avoid it all? I've seen boys on my son's team be called out at the plate for not avoiding the contact but not seen it for two years in softball.
Statman probably has an answer!!
 
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eatsleepfastpitch said:
I saw WAY MORE "running down" and "plowing" of infielders in rec ball this past summer, than travel ball. ?

Same here.

Rec leagues will generally have the combination of less experienced players, coaches and umpires. All of which can lead to rules being broken just because the participants are unfamiliar with the ?proper rules and playing techniques.

So who is at fault here?

Are coaches teaching their players to illegally block the bases and steamroll the opponents?

Are players being taught the proper techniques, then ignoring them and taking matters into their own hands?

Maybe it's the umpires. They get the blame for everything else! ?:)

While the umpires can go a long way toward preventing an escalation of hostilities, their role is largely a reactive one. There really isn't anything they can do until after the fact- after the violation has already been committed.

I would liken the umpire's role to that of a traffic cop sitting along a strectch of highway. Their presence might disuade someone from speeding, but there is nothing they can do to a driver until the driver actually violates the law.

The driver is in control of his vehicle and if he speeds it is his own fault. A player is in control of her own body and actions. If she illegally crashes into a fielder or blocks the base, who's fault is that?

All the umpire can do is sort out the aftermath of the collision. If he enforces the rules properly, further crashes might be avoided, just because the penaltys can outweigh the benefits for the teams. But even then, if a player is dead set on violating a rule, there's not much the umpire can do until the point where the violation actually takes place.

The umpires can only watch for it and call it when it happens.

The coaches can teach their players the proper rules and techniques before they ever step on the field.

The players ultimately control their own actions during the course of the game.
 
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I thought we were talking about girls-young ladies- softball.I think ringer is right. Maybe its even UFC no holds barred. Is this the ?behavior we want our girls to go out into the world with. Do whatever is necessary to get what you want no matter who it hurts. No wonder the USA is the way it is. Accidents happen but intentionally injuring another player is ridiculous. I don't see any situation that would warrant injuring another girl-these are all children. If you are a coach or a parent and encourage it then shame on you! Just think how would you feel if it were your daughter behind the plate being intentionally being run down. Always put yourself in the other persons shoes before you encourage such behavior especially at the younger ages such as 10u or 12u. Coaches need to make sure that if a girl does this that she doesn't do it again. I'm sure an excessively agressive girl would think twice before doing it again if she were benched for such behavior. It really is up to the coaches to keep things under control. Not encourage it or ignore it. And taking revenge the next time around isn't any better then it is an endless cycle of bad behavior.
 
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Bret -- my best guess is that it's a by-product of todays society. Part coaches , part parents, part of it is lack of knowledge/enforcement. Who wants to labeled weak ?
Is my understanding right that the D player (usually the catcher) can obstruct AFTER she catches the ball and it's the O player responsibility to avoid ? I think the game would be still be just as exciting with no blocking . MD
 
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The rules cover all of this, so long as we have good umpires to enforce those rules. The one time one of my runners might get into a situation is when we have bases loaded and less than two out. In that situation, I remind my runner at third that she doesn't have to slide at the plate, similar to not sliding into first base. If the catcher is improperly covering all of home plate without the ball, I instruct the girls to try to avoid a head-on collision, but that they still don't have to slide. If the catcher "owns" the plate in that situation and is standing directly on top of it, there is going to be some sort of contact just as there would be with a first baseman standing on top of first base to take a throw. Only a poorly-coached catcher would be standing right on top of the plate in that situation, as it's a force and she wants to catch the ball as far out in front as possible.

While I don't think hardly anyone condones mailicious contact, at the same time I am not going to tell my players to avoid all contact. Doing so would reward teams that are poorly coached.
 
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When we're discussing PROFESSIONAL players playing under MLB rules and customs, ol' Ty can start spinning like he's on a spit.

Since we are discussing AMATEUR softball, with different rules and accepted standards of conduct, Mr. Cobb can go back to sharpening his spikes.
 
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Bill,

I stir the pot a lot on here but it's all in fun with a healthy dose of sarcasm, but it seems to me that you just don't get it. Please tell me you don't coach kids to be malicious. If I'm misreading something, I'll be the first to apologize to you.
 
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Ringer,
I give many the benefit of the doubt.... but in this case, unless he comes on here and fesses up..I don't think so. I will copy his post and show it to every BLUE that I happen to see when we may play them.

Bill, I recognize that the catcher may be you DD. If so. be careful of what you wish for... the result might not be what you expect. That philosophy will get people hurt. Is that what you want?
 
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Hopefully we all have been trolled !!!! If not ,the guy is psycho. :-/ :-/ :-/ MD
 
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My daughter plays short, and she came to me after an inning and told me she heard the third base coach tell the runner to take out the catcher.

This happened, cant remember if it was this team or another, but on a throw down to second the girl slidd high left, one clete hitting my daughters knee and the other her thigh. It definitly took her out of the game, and then some.

That was a month ago and she still wears a knee brace when playing sports.

Only good note is the trainer thinks it is a bruised bone, and not a tear.

Straightleg
 

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