Scoring an at-bat (error or hit)

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Batter hits pop foul ball. 1st baseman takes a couple of steps into foul territory with routine effort. Camps under it and misses. At-bat continues. Batter then bats a ball fair and reaches 1st base. Would this be scored an error or a hit? I already looked through the ATEC manual and couldn't find anything that specifically dealt with this scenario.

 

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Charge an error on the 1st baseman, and credit a hit for the hitter.

Here is your reference from ATEC, right at the beginning of the ERROR Section.

An error is charged
1. For each miscue/physical mistake, including fielding, wild throws, and missed catches of good throws, which prolongs the life of a batter, the life of a runner or which permits a runner to advance, including a dropped foul fly unless it was dropped intentionally to prevent a runner from advancing.​

The key phrase of "which prolongs the life of the batter". There are actually 2 seperate plays here. On one pitch, you had the dropped foul ball. On the other pitch, you had the hit by the batter. So, if at the end of the at-bat the batter reaches base safely, then the batter gets credit for a however she reached base and then the fielder gets credit for an error.

 

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It's a hit. The miscue on the foul ball did not allow the batter to reach base safely, so the batter gets new life.

Len

 

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Charge an error on the 1st baseman, and credit a hit for the hitter.

Here is your reference from ATEC, right at the beginning of the ERROR Section.

An error is charged
1. For each miscue/physical mistake, including fielding, wild throws, and missed catches of good throws, which prolongs the life of a batter, the life of a runner or which permits a runner to advance, including a dropped foul fly unless it was dropped intentionally to prevent a runner from advancing.​

The key phrase of "which prolongs the life of the batter"

Agree. The missed foul pop is an error which prolonged the life of the batter. Then score a hit for the batter.

 

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...and if that runner then scores it is an unearned run because she should not have been on base if the fielder had not made the error, and if that would have been the third out all subsequent runs would also be unearned, correct?

 

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...and if that runner then scores it is an unearned run because she should not have been on base if the fielder had not made the error, and if that would have been the third out all subsequent runs would also be unearned, correct?

You are correct.

It is too early in the morning for me to think that far ahead

 

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Thanks for the feedback so far. Regarding the RBI part of the discussion, the batter did not score but there were runners on 2nd and 3rd that did score on the at-bat. At the time of the error there were two outs. So does the runner get a hit but NOT the 2 RBI?

 

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Thanks for the feedback so far. Regarding the RBI part of the discussion, the batter did not score but there were runners on 2nd and 3rd that did score on the at-bat. At the time of the error there were two outs. So does the runner get a hit but NOT the 2 RBI?

The batter still gets the RBI's but both of the runs are unearned.

 

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This is a great example of how a scorekeeper has to reconstruct an inning to get earned/unearned runs.

And I need more caffeine if I have to do it this early in the morning.

 

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I learned something this morning. Thanks gang.

 

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Everything said here about the way it SHOULD be scored is correct. But don't be surprised if it ACTUALLY gets scored differently. Lots of scorekeepers won't realize to count the error if the batter doesn't actually get on base on the dropped ball.

Had this exact situation happen last year in an away college game even ... right fielder dropped an easy foul ball that was in her glove, and then batter proceeds to hit a 2 run homer with 2 outs. Next day when I saw box, I brought up to our coach on behalf of our pitcher (not my DD), but we were stuck with it since the official scorer was a player from the home team and she obviously didn't know any better, and the argument was no one would have remembered the botched play the next day.

 

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Batter hits pop foul ball. 1st baseman takes a couple of steps into foul territory with routine effort. Camps under it and misses.

n - No error is charged on a misplay if the ball is lost in the sun or
lights, windblown, or if the fielder slips and falls, even if contact with​

the ball is made.

p - No error is charged if a fly ball is misjudged and the fielder can't​

recover in time to field it in good position.

Maybe not as clear-cut when we look at the possibilities. She didn't drop it according to the original post, she misses it.

Just playing devil's advocate.

 

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n - No error is charged on a misplay if the ball is lost in the sun or
lights, windblown, or if the fielder slips and falls, even if contact with​

the ball is made.

p - No error is charged if a fly ball is misjudged and the fielder can't​

recover in time to field it in good position.

Maybe not as clear-cut when we look at the possibilities. She didn't drop it according to the original post, she misses it.

Just playing devil's advocate.

Good point on 'n', but 'p' doesn't apply in this case since OP says F3 was in good position to make the play.

 

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...and if that runner then scores it is an unearned run because she should not have been on base if the fielder had not made the error, and if that would have been the third out all subsequent runs would also be unearned, correct?

Any runs that score after what should have been the 3rd out FOR THAT PITCHER are unearned. As vanalmsick alluded to, Earned runs are determined by reconstructing the inning as it would have been played without errors and passed balls (including errors on the pitcher). What many people don't realize is A relief pitcher does not receive benefit of previous chances for outs when reconstructing the inning in determining earned or unearned runs she put on, while the original pitcher does.

 

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n - No error is charged on a misplay if the ball is lost in the sun or
lights, windblown, or if the fielder slips and falls, even if contact with​

the ball is made.

p - No error is charged if a fly ball is misjudged and the fielder can't​

recover in time to field it in good position.

Maybe not as clear-cut when we look at the possibilities. She didn't drop it according to the original post, she misses it.

Just playing devil's advocate.

Ball was dropped. Sorry. When I said "missed" instead of "dropped" I didn't think about the confusion it might cause.

 

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Any runs that score after what should have been the 3rd out FOR THAT PITCHER are unearned. As vanalmsick alluded to, Earned runs are determined by reconstructing the inning as it would have been played without errors and passed balls (including errors on the pitcher). What many people don't realize is A relief pitcher does not receive benefit of previous chances for outs when reconstructing the inning in determining earned or unearned runs she put on, while the original pitcher does[/I].

Huh? Could you elaborate on this point please?

 

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Ball was dropped. Sorry. When I said "missed" instead of "dropped" I didn't think about the confusion it might cause.

That makes it an easy score of an error in that case. All subsequent runs are unearned.

From the stand point of a pitchers dad; sure it doesn't hurt the ERA, but the win/loss could be effected. My dd has lost countless HS/travel games on simple errors committed by others). Enough to make you pull your hair out. LoL

Last year there was a loss 12-7 with 15 errors behind her in the HS season. All except 1 were infield throwing or drop receiving errors. Only two of the runs were earned.

 

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Pitching: Charging Runs Scored (When Relief Pitchers Are
Used)​

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1. A pitcher is charged With every run which scores where the batter reached base
while she was pitching.
2. A pitcher is charged With any run which scores where the batter reached base
safely as a result of a fielder's choice putout of a runner who reached base while
she was pitching. Charge a pitcher with the number of runners she put on, not the
individuals she put on.
3. If a pitcher leaves the game with runners on base, she is charged with up to that
many runs that score in that inning, unless any of those runners are out because of
being picked off, thrown out on an attempted steal, or for interference when a
batter doesn't reach first base on the play.
4. When a relief pitcher comes in mid-count, and that batter gets on, then scores,
a - charge the first pitcher With the run only if the batter got on with a
walk after earning a count with two or three balls and less than two
strikes from the initial pitcher, and​

b - charge the relief pitcher With the run any other time.

 

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Any runs that score after what should have been the 3rd out FOR THAT PITCHER are unearned. As vanalmsick alluded to, Earned runs are determined by reconstructing the inning as it would have been played without errors and passed balls (including errors on the pitcher). What many people don't realize is A relief pitcher does not receive benefit of previous chances for outs when reconstructing the inning in determining earned or unearned runs she put on, while the original pitcher does.

Huh? Could you elaborate on this point please?

Sure. Let's say the OP's situation continues with a pitching change and the relief pitcher gives up a home run to the next batter. The runner on base would be charged as an unearned run to the previous pitcher because she scored after what should have been the third out for her. The batter-runner would be charged as an EARNED run to the relief pitcher because she does not benefit from chances for outs that occurred prior to her coming in to pitch.

 

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Sure. Let's say the OP's situation continues with a pitching change and the relief pitcher gives up a home run to the next batter. The runner on base would be charged as an unearned run to the previous pitcher because she scored after what should have been the third out for her. The batter-runner would be charged as an EARNED run to the relief pitcher because she does not benefit from chances for outs that occurred prior to her coming in to pitch.

hmm. I did not know that...Thanks SoCal.