Scoring Questions

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Wanted to ask a few scoring questions.

Is a batter that gets a hit and gets on base due to an error on the defense scored as a hit against the pitcher?

Are ground outs/caught fly balls scored as hits against the pitcher?

Is ERA in softball computed using 7 innings even if you only played 5 or 6?

Is a batter given a RBI if a runner scores due to an error on the defense?

Just making sure I'm as accurate as possible for these stats.

Thanks

CU

 

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Is a batter that gets a hit and gets on base due to an error on the defense scored as a hit against the pitcher?

Not unless they had a legit hit that resulted in an EXTRA base due to error. IOW, pure single rolls between LF's legs and runner advances to 2nd Base. Ruled a single for the batter and against the pitcher with an error charged to LF.

Are ground outs/caught fly balls scored as hits against the pitcher?

No

Is ERA in softball computed using 7 innings even if you only played 5 or 6?

It's based on the number of innings your league plays in a regulation game. If a league plays 6, it is factored using 6.

Is a batter given a RBI if a runner scores due to an error on the defense?

No. Not if it's due to the error. If the runner would have scored regardless of the error (had the fielder played the ball properly), I believe it does go as an RBI.

Pretty sure I've got those right, but willing to be corrected if I'm wrong on any.

 

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1. No
2. No
3. # of innings in a regulation game
4. If the run scores as a result of a batted ball, it's an RBI.

 

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4. If the run scores as a result of a batted ball, it's an RBI.

Is that specific to softball? I think MLB has it as:

(a) The official scorer shall credit the batter with a run batted in for every run that scores:
(1) unaided by an error and as part of a play begun by the batter's safe hit (including the batter's home run), sacrifice bunt, sacrifice fly, infield out or fielder's choice, unless Rule 10.04(b) applies;

Same rule also mentions that they don't count for double-plays.

 

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Is a batter that gets a hit and gets on base due to an error on the defense scored as a hit against the pitcher?

A batter cannot get a hit and get on base due to an error at the same time. It is either one or the other (hit or error). A batter/runner can advance due to an error after being credited with a hit.


Are ground outs/caught fly balls scored as hits against the pitcher?

No.

Is a batter given a RBI if a runner scores due to an error on the defense?

Only if the runner would have scored without the error. As an example, if there is a runner on third base with two outs and an error is charged to an outfielder on a fly ball or to an infielder for a fielding, throwing, or catching error then no RBI should be awarded since the inning would have been over without the error.

 

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Backstop has it right. And some others are right that ERA is based on the # of innings in a regulation game, which for most levels of fastpitch is 7.

 

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Is that specific to softball? I think MLB has it as:

(a) The official scorer shall credit the batter with a run batted in for every run that scores:
(1) unaided by an error and as part of a play begun by the batter's safe hit (including the batter's home run), sacrifice bunt, sacrifice fly, infield out or fielder's choice, unless Rule 10.04(b) applies;

Same rule also mentions that they don't count for double-plays.

Sorry, I wasn't being question specific. If the runner would have scored regardless of error, yes it's an RBI. If the error allowed them to score not the hit, no RBI. I had issues with scorekeepers who gave RBI's when runners were walked home, that is why I wrote a BATTED ball.

 

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I had issues with scorekeepers who gave RBI's when runners were walked home

Actually, I believe walking a runner home IS an RBI. I've always scored it as such.

Here is what MLB has under 10.04 (RBI):

(2) by reason of the batter becoming a runner with the bases full (because of a base on balls, an award of first base for being touched by a pitched ball or for interference or obstruction);

Probably be best to put the full thing out there:

from: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/official_scorer_10.jsp

10.04 Runs Batted In
A run batted in is a statistic credited to a batter whose action at bat causes one or more runs to score, as set forth in this Rule 10.04.
(a) The official scorer shall credit the batter with a run batted in for every run that scores
(1) unaided by an error and as part of a play begun by the batter's safe hit (including the batter?s home run), sacrifice bunt, sacrifice fly, infield out or fielder's choice, unless Rule 10.04(b) applies;
(2) by reason of the batter becoming a runner with the bases full (because of a base on balls, an award of first base for being touched by a pitched ball or for interference or obstruction); or
(3) when, before two are out, an error is made on a play on which a runner from third base ordinarily would score.
(b) The official scorer shall not credit a run batted in
(1) when the batter grounds into a force double play or a reverse-force double play; or
(2) when a fielder is charged with an error because the fielder muffs a throw at first base that would have completed a force double play.
(c) The official scorer's judgment must determine whether a run batted in shall be credited for a run that scores when a fielder holds the ball or throws to a wrong base. Ordinarily, if the runner keeps going, the official scorer should credit a run batted in; if the runner stops and takes off again when the runner notices the misplay, the official scorer should credit the run as scored on a fielder's choice.

 

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mmich, that is correct. A walk can generate an RBI according to the ASA score manual. Much like an uncontested steal of 2B is still a successful steal.

 

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Much like an uncontested steal of 2B is still a successful steal.

Ummmmmmmm.....oops....

 

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An RBI is a run BATTED in. If the batter does not put her bat on the ball than there is no RBI. A batter should not be credited an RBI for a runner walked in.

 

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Klump, here is what ATEC and NCAA scoring guides say about RBIs:

[FONT=&quot]ATEC:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"One run batted in is scored for each runner who scores on a batter's[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]a - safe hit,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]b - sacrifice bunt or fly - if a runner gets into a rundown dining the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]sacrifice bunt or fly, then scores, no RBI is awarded,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]c - ground out (not the third out of the inning),[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]d - fielder's choice,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]e - walk with bases loaded,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]f - being hit by a pitch with bases loaded,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]g - being awarded first base because of interference or obstruction[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]when the bases are loaded,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]h - homerun (include batter as one RBI),[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I - ball in play, which caused an error only if the runner would have[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]scored without the error,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1) with a runner on first or second base where an error[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]occurs on fielding an outfield ground ball, or throwing to[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]a relay, credit an RBI only if the runner would have[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]scored without the error,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2) if an error occurs in the above-mentioned situation,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]do not assume a perfect throw would have been made[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]at the plate (give the batter the benefit of the doubt),[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3) we can never assume a perfect throw when throwing[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]off balance,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4) on an infield error on a play at another base, credit[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]an RBI only if there were less than two out,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5) on a play at the plate where the run scores because[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]either the throw is wild or the catcher never has clear[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]possession of the ball ("bang-bang" play), an RBI is[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]scored as well as a sacrifice fly,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6) no RBI is credited if the batter is out as the second[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]out of a force double play, or would have been out had[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the receiver handled the ball, or if a reverse force[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]double play occurs,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7) if a runner rounding third base stops, notices a[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]misplay, then advances and scores, no RN is credited,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]j - an RBI can be scored on a third out that is not a tag play only if[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]that out is off a fly ball or line drive, the throw beats the runner to the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]base she is tagging up at, and the scoring runner crosses home plate[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]before the third out is made,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]k - a game winning RB! is the RBI that gives the team the lead that is[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]never lost, (there is not always a GWRBI)."[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]NCAA:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"14.2.25 Run Batted In: Credit given to the batter for each run
that scores as a result of: a batter’s safe hit (including a batter
scoring on a home run), a sacrifice or sacrifice fly, a ground out,
a double play, a fielder’s choice, a walk with the bases loaded,
a hit by a pitch with the bases loaded, or defensive obstruction
with the bases loaded."[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]I'm pretty sure these are the most current versions of both scoring guides.
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Ummmmmmmm.....oops....

oops is right....

According to the ASA Scorer's Manual, Section 15.

"Stolen bases (fast pitch only) are credited to a runner whenever he/she advances one base, unaided by a hit, putout, an error, a force-out, a fielder's choice, a passed ball, a wild pitch, an illegal pitch, a base on balls, a hit batter, or catcher's obstruction. When a runner attempts to steal and the catcher makes a wild throw trying to prevent the steal, credit a stolen base. Dont charge an error unless the wild throw permits the runner to advance one or more extra bases. No stolen base is scored when a runner advances solely because of the defensive team's indifference to the advance. Score it a fielder's choice."

No hijack intended....

 

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And here is ASA's thoughts on it...

ASA Scorer's Manual, Section 5

A Run Batted In (RBI) is a run scored because of one of the following:

A. A safe hit
B. A sacrifice bunt (fast pitch only)
C. A sacrifice fly
D. A foul fly caught
E. An infield out or fielder's choice
F. A base runner forced home because of interference or obstruction or a base on balls being given with the bases full
G. A base runner forced home because the batter was hit by a pitched ball (fast pitch only)
H. A home run and all runs scored as a result (Section 8b)
I. Credit a run batted in for the run scored when, before tow are out, an error is made on a play during which a runner would have scored ordinarily from third. Do not credit a run batted in when a fielder is charged with an error because he/she mishandles a throw at first which would have completed a force double play.

 

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@Jay and mmich:

The separate question on awarding a stolen base involves the question of what constitutes "defensive indifference". On one of these threads that is probably archived I addressed that question. If I remember correctly, it devolves into whether the scoring system being used requires that the leading team be so far ahead that it doesn't give a . . . .well, whatever . . . that the runner is advancing to second. Phrased differently, some scoring systems require "defensive indifference" to include an almost insurmountable lead for the defense. In other scoring systems even if your insides are pretty much in turmoil at the choice whether to allow the runner to take second, you can be credited with defensive indifference rather have a stolen base.

 

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@Jay and mmich:
On one of these threads that is probably archived I addressed that question.

And here it is:
http://www.game-ex.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=36156&highlight=defensive+indifference

I always thought that indifference was scored when the defense appeared....well...indifferent. But I'm convinced otherwise by you and Jay. Let's not mention this to my catcher just yet, agreed?

 

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How about this scenario......first batter reaches first base on an error. Then during the course of the inning reaches third base. Batter hits a line drive single and scores the runner on third base.

A. This is an RBI for the batter...correct?
B. This is not considered an earned run against the pitcher...right?

 

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How about this scenario......first batter reaches first base on an error. Then during the course of the inning reaches third base. Batter hits a line drive single and scores the runner on third base.

A. This is an RBI for the batter...correct?

Yes

B. This is not considered an earned run against the pitcher...right?

It is not.

 

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Yes, its still an RBI and no, that is not an earned run.

 

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And here it is:
http://www.game-ex.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=36156&highlight=defensive+indifference

I always thought that indifference was scored when the defense appeared....well...indifferent. But I'm convinced otherwise by you and Jay. Let's not mention this to my catcher just yet, agreed?

lol...agreed:lmao: