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I have seen a lot of neighbor's and friend's kids quit after getting burned out in ****** and basketball and want to avoid that, but don't want her to get stuck not getting the proper skills, coaching, and competition.

I know each kid's skills are different, but in general what is everyone's opinion on what age is to early to move from rec to select and when it is too late?
 
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I wish I had moved mine when she was 9 into 10u select. We waited until 12u. I think if you want them to improve the earlier the better. jmho ;)
 
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I am not an expert, but every coach I've talked to has told me that I'm getting my DD in at the right age (she's 10U this year) when I've told them my story of needing to get her out of rec ball.
 
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ummm is this a ****** post, I mean $occer post? :eek: All kidding aside, I think it depends on the your dd. For example, my dd plays travel softball and ogso in addition to rec ******, basketball and volleyball (she is a 1998). Some of her friends play premier or select ****** but she has never indicated to me that she wanted to play premier or select, whereas in softball, she wanted to play travelball at age 8. I guess what I am saying is maybe take the 'cues' from your dd...if she asks to play at that level (assuming she knows about it) then maybe give it a shot?
 
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We made the jump to travel ball at 9. I am glad we made the decision when we did - getting a head start in learning the fundamentals before the bad habits started to form.

To keep her from burning out - she still plays other sports (during non-softball season) for her school team. She continues to work on softball during the offseason.
 
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We made the jump to travel ball at 9. I am glad we made the decision when we did - getting a head start in learning the fundamentals before the bad habits started to form.

To keep her from burning out - she still plays other sports (during non-softball season) for her school team. She continues to work on softball during the offseason.

Good post! If dd is into it- get a head start in learning the fundamentals!
 
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We moved DD to travel softball when she was 9 also. It was great for her to learn at that level so early. The older a girl is, the harder it is going to be to move into a travel team. The girls that are playing travel ball improve so much beyond what your average rec ball player will improve. The longer you wait, the more she will have to 'catch up' to the level of the other girls. IMO
 
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I think the earlier you can get them out of rec ball, the better, less bad habits to break when they get into travel ball. Once they hit 13-14 it is almost too late, depending on the athlete. I also think burn-out is an individual thing. Some experience it and some do not.
 
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I waited for mine to ASK me about playing select / travel ball.

When she seen other girls were getting better at her age group playing select vs rec, she asked if she could play more than rec...

She'll only get out of it what she wants to put into it.
If she seems ready, I think finding a good fit with coaches and team is is so important. If she has good teammates / friends, coaches that keep it fun but help you get better, chances are she will NOT get burned out.

Playing other sports, learning new positions (great in long run anyways!), taking short breaks for other things (a weekday visit to Cedar Point / Kings Island etc) can help avoid the burnout.

For a specific age, I don't believe there is any one specific, but I believe for a 'majority' of girls 12u to 1st yr 14u is as late of a start as you may want.
 
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FWIW, my oldest started travel at second year 14U and is now pitching in college. Didn't start pitching at all until 13. That wasn't by design, I knew nothing about the existence of travel ball. My younger kid started at 10U which to me is plenty early.

A better question to me would be what age should they start playing the game at all. My vote there would be 8. Few kids younger than that have enough coordination, strength, and most importantly attention span to play. I really think that is why you see a lot of kids quit both softball and baseball at a young age. They get bored because nobody can play it with enough skill to make it interesting and frustrated that they can't do anything right. I doubt parents are the only people at a t-ball game cringing at the abomination it is. On top of that, many develop bad habits at the very young ages to compensate for the lack of strength and coordination. Thus you end up with some horrendous looking swings, poor throwing mechanics, and wonderful memories of getting hit in the nose by ground balls because they can't control the glove. Think about t-ball and the goal of the hitter and how best to accomplish that goal. They want to pull everything to the left side (because they are ALWAYS safe) and swing up at the ball so it goes in the air as far as they can because it looks pretty and nobody can catch it anyway. Not at all the same goals you have when you are doing tee work for skill enhancement. Why is a kid playing the pitcher spot? They are one of the early learners who can actually catch something and throw the ball. The list goes on and on. Far more dirt piles are made and dandelions murdered than anything else at that level. So why not do everyone a favor and just skip it. They can catch up pretty quick when they have the coordination to actually do what they are supposed to do.

While i loathe sokker, the only time it is the least bit entertaining to me is when they are little. Small field and lots of action. Any kid at 5 can run around and kick a ball. Every kid can make a contribution because the ball will bounce their way and they get to kick it. The older they get in that game and the more skilled they become, the worse the game gets from my standpoint. Play sokker at 5, graduate to a better game at 8.

Please keep things orderly when you show up at my door with pitchforks and torches. Yes, I know SOME kids can play softball/baseball pretty well at 5 or 6, MOST can't.
 
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Sorry Exxwhy, I disagree. I have seen a ton of talent at those younger levels and those are the ones that stick with it. The problem is not introducing sofball to them before you stick them in t-ball. As a parent, you should prepare them for ANY sport you are signing them up for. Play catch with them and explain the basics of the game to them BEFORE you take them to sign ups. Those kids picking dandelions are the ones who's parents don't do anything with them, sign them up, and them throw them on the field. Then when they don't understand or aren't very good, it is blamed on attention spans, the allure of the dirt pile, or bad coaching. I believe it is poor preparation. Parents are under the misconception that by sticking your kid on a team, you have passed on the teaching/coaching torch to the coach. As the parent, YOU are the kids main coach. YOU are responsible for taking your kids out and teaching them and playing with them. I play with my kids EVERYDAY. My youngest is 6 any can effectivly play with most 9-10 year olds. I DO NOT force her, she forces me. She has been playing catch with us since she was about 2 and loved it ever since. She is NOT the only one either. There are MANY young girls I see who put in alot of time but not because their parents make them, because they love it. I wouldn't say she was the exception either, otherwise there wouldn't be so many good players around. Why sit around and do nothing? Just because my DD isn't the best at something doesn't mean she doesn't enjoy doing it.
 
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Our experience was different. DD played rec. until 12, then we got her into an org. that is geared towards college exposure. She didn't play competitive travel ball until 12u.

The key is getting the proper training. But where many people expect the team coaches/organization to provide "everything softball" for their DD, we took a different approach. The ONLY thing we looked to the coaches for was to provide a platform for competitive play and college exposure. With our DD being a pitcher, we did not expect them to provide sports specific training; pitching/hitting lessons. DD was trained by outside individuals for pitching and hitting.

Had my DD been a position player, the expectations might have been different. Although in that case, I probably would have leaned on the likes of Kabota, or someone who teaches similar concepts.

Did starting later for my DD make a difference for "burnout"? I don't think so. She has a few college teammates who started early. I think burnout is overrated. Either you love softball, and can't get enough, or you "kinda like it", and after it's pushed down your throat for several years, the love affair begins to fade.
 
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We didn't know travel ball existed until our dd was 11. Got her into a high school travel league and not this year 16U, she's wanting to get into a more serious travel team. She wasn't ready for that until now. Didn't want the commitment of so many tournaments. It was great to get out of rec ball that's for sure!
 
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Good question and one that my wife, daughter and I have gone back and forth with for over a year now. My DD started playing 8U rec ball when she was 5 but I was the coach because I didn't want some parent who was just "volunteering" teaching my DD the wrong way to play the game. Even at age 5 you can teach her to "squish" the bug, proper batting stance, getting your hips out of the way, proper throwing and catching techniques, etc. She played rec ball for 3 years and last year we had travel ball coaches asking her to tryout at age 7. I wanted to coach her for one more year at 10U when she was 8 to learn proper bunting, stealing, sliding, and facing live pitching against 10 year olds before trying out for a travel team. I didn't want her to try to learn everything at the 10U level and still try and hit a 40+ mph pitch. She is now 8 and has 1 year of 10U rec ball under her belt and she tried out for 2different travel ball teams and made both of them. She played in one tournament this year for her local 10U all-star team and we got mercy ruled by all of the travel teams. After the tournament she said "Dad I want to be as good as those girls" and that is when I knew it was time to start travel ball.

So it really depends on your DD, what skill level she is at, and if she is committed to playing softball all year around. My DD would play ball 7 days a week if had the time and would let her so she is ready for the step up in competition. She is still going to play basketball in the winter and if softball is in her blood then I wouldn't worry about her getting burned out. JMHO
 
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My dd started travel at 11. She had never played rec until her second year of travel. I wish we had gotten her involved in atleast rec. at an earlier age. It took her several years to catch up to the girls who had been playing longer then her. She is also small for her age which held her back a little until now.
 
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I think it should be up to the child. My dd had a chance to play travel at 10u but choose not to she played rec ball up to 14u. We were lucky are rec ball coach also was a coach on his dd travel team. Now are dd is 15 an playing on 18u competitive travel team.Also in are rec ball girls play slow-pitch at 8u coach pitch witch i think keeps girls interested an they do learn the basic. An from 10u up play only fast.
 
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Did starting later for my DD make a difference for "burnout"? I don't think so. She has a few college teammates who started early. I think burnout is overrated. Either you love softball, and can't get enough, or you "kinda like it", and after it's pushed down your throat for several years, the love affair begins to fade.


Love that part of the quote! My dd was very talented at a young age in many sports, just an athletic coordinated kid. Don't know if she is the best at anything though, lol. Played a lot of sports on some VERY good teams though. Rarely the best kid on those teams.

Played sokker from the time she was 4, and played Premier/Select. All of a sudden, she quit when she was in 7th grade, as a VERY good player on a very good premier team. Some think she burned out, I think we found out early that she didn't "burn" for sokker .... same with volleyball and track.

Not the same for softball & basketball ... she loves those sports, and works year round on each, including off-season leagues, private instructors, etc.

Nature will take its course if you let it, and don't jam it down their throats (too hard :D).
 
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I think it depends on the kid. I personally believed my youngest dd was not ready to play travel ball at 10u. I decided she was ready at age 11 and what I found out was that I could have started her at age 9. Not because she was that good, rather the majority of girls playing travel at her age were not near as good as I thought they would be. Nothing against the girls, I just expected more talent due to an uneducated assessment of where I thought the talent should be.

Len
 
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To keep her from burning out - she still plays other sports (during non-softball season) for her school team. She continues to work on softball during the offseason.[/QUOTE]

Exactly; let your DD find and participate in another activity that she enjoys. Mine still enjoys her dance classes and still works out in the offseason.
 

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