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I am trying to help the Rec League in my community find umpires to handle 10U, 12U, 14U and 18U rec league games between May 15-July 15. The gentleman that "staffed the games" in past years has retired and it seems that most of his umpires have gone their separate ways. Does anyone know of a group/person who would be willing to take a full rec schedule of games in Chardon and make sure there are umps for every game? Without needing to get every team from Chardon and opponents from outside the community sanctioned by a governing body?
 

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I used to schedule umps for my community's rec league. It's a tough job.

Are you thinking that in order to use ASA sanctioned umps the teams have to be sanctioned ASA? From what I understand, the teams don't have to be sanctioned ASA.

The biggest problem with rec league umps is, most umps are used to working a full schedule from Friday afternoon to Sunday late in the day. It's really tough to get an ump to go to your community on a weekday, for a 2 1/2 hour game, especially if they don't get paid much per game and it's only the one game.

You may try going to your local HS games and talking to those umps?? Your league's season is after HS season.
 
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Our local rec league uses a lot of high school students to ump our games....we don't concern ourselves with ASA sanctioning for rec league play.
 

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Thanks for the input. The league doesn't want to get sanctioned by anyone because the teams they play from outside the community would also need to be sanctioned. I believe that the thinking behind not using high school kids is to increase reliability of umpires showing up and to cut down on parent's berating the kids (imagine that!)
 

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Good luck. Most of the students we use are considered reliable, we seek out kids with past league history or parents may still have ties to the league. The parents have to understand that berating them is unacceptable and will be ejected for such behavior. We have made it work, we have had issues, but not as many as you would think.
 

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Thanks for the input. The league doesn't want to get sanctioned by anyone because the teams they play from outside the community would also need to be sanctioned. I believe that the thinking behind not using high school kids is to increase reliability of umpires showing up and to cut down on parent's berating the kids (imagine that!)
I agree! I have had very bad experience using HS kids. Especially, 10u and younger, they just can't be counted on and shouldn't be, to hold adults accountable. My advice would be to allow coaches to ump behind the pitcher, or pay umps, but no HS kids. HS student refs work better in basketball, I think it's not so personal? IDK??
 

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Don't condemn all high school kids!

We couldn't run our program without their considerable help. We use kids that have played for us so we have some knowledge about their work habits. We screen them by bringing on the promising ones at 14 or 16 to pick up the trash and then as they get older, mowing, etc... . By the time they get behind the plate we have we know them pretty well. We use the reliable ones a good bit.

We also have a zero tolerance policy on 'umpire abuse' from coaches and fans as a league. Sometimes visiting teams/fans have to be introduced to this concept but we are dealing with players from 6 to 16 so cut everyone some slack. Some of these kids will work for us through college and do tournaments on the weekends as a summer job. The relationship benefits all of us.
 

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Don't condemn all high school kids!

We couldn't run our program without their considerable help. We use kids that have played for us so we have some knowledge about their work habits. We screen them by bringing on the promising ones at 14 or 16 to pick up the trash and then as they get older, mowing, etc... . By the time they get behind the plate we have we know them pretty well. We use the reliable ones a good bit.

We also have a zero tolerance policy on 'umpire abuse' from coaches and fans as a league. Sometimes visiting teams/fans have to be introduced to this concept but we are dealing with players from 6 to 16 so cut everyone some slack. Some of these kids will work for us through college and do tournaments on the weekends as a summer job. The relationship benefits all of us.

Don't blame the HS Kids for problems at 10U - A freshman calling the game more than likely has more softball knowledge than anyone else on the field including both coaches - The only problem with HS girls Umping 10U and 12U games is the Coaches believe there is something huge at stake and will verbally abuse a 16 year old to get their way -
 
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You have to work with the coaches and maybe the parents at the younger age groups to get them to drink the kool-aid. They have to learn and then be reminded periodically that this is for the kids and that the number one goal is for every one to have fun including the KIDS. Adults yelling at each other or the umpire is just not acceptable. The kids pick up on it and you are set up for another long year. Nip this behavior in the bud especially at the younger ages. It usually takes an adult to protect the umpire or to settle the parents/coaches down but if you can get them on board the season can be a lot of fun.

If we don''t use HS kids we wouldn't have umpires for all of our games. Come on, give 'em a chance; settle your coaches and parents down and just play ball.
 

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The only problem with HS girls Umping 10U and 12U games is the Coaches believe there is something huge at stake and will verbally abuse a 16 year old to get their way -
Wow! Verbally abusing a 16 year old ump? That's serious. This is a good example of why HS kids shouldn't be umping, they shouldn't be put in that situation, nor should the coaches.

I had a coach last year, throw out an adult ump during a game, because he didn't like the strike zone (his kid was pitching). The ump wouldn't leave the field. It all happened in front of the 10 year old players. When I got there, I had to take the ump off the field myself. It was one of the worst situations I have ever been in, with kids around.
 
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You have to work with the coaches and maybe the parents at the younger age groups to get them to drink the kool-aid. They have to learn and then be reminded periodically that this is for the kids and that the number one goal is for every one to have fun including the KIDS. Adults yelling at each other or the umpire is just not acceptable. The kids pick up on it and you are set up for another long year. Nip this behavior in the bud especially at the younger ages. It usually takes an adult to protect the umpire or to settle the parents/coaches down but if you can get them on board the season can be a lot of fun.

If we don''t use HS kids we wouldn't have umpires for all of our games. Come on, give 'em a chance; settle your coaches and parents down and just play ball.


Your system is very good. I don't think this is what most have in mind, they just want to drop the teen ump off at the game and leave. At the very least, an actual adult, should probably spend several games with the HS umps, who are on the field during the game. I think that's the best way to go about it. But, no matter how mature they are or how well they know the game, being the ump and having to interpret situations and be right the first time, is tough. That's why, while I love knowing, reading and interpreting rules, I have a hard time processing info and reacting quickly. Good umps should do that, I don't, I'm sure it's also a personality type thing with umps, too. BTW, I have 13 years of playing softball competitively under my belt, from when I was 7 years old to 19 years old, including some travel ball, HS and I have even coached. Also, for all the competitive ball I played and been around, when I took rules classes, I realized there was so much I didn't actually know.
 
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Scenarios of verbal abuse like the ones mentioned above are one of the prime reasons our sport and many others will reach a crisis point in which there truly will not be enough umpires to service the number of games/tournaments scheduled.

In my high school umpire association, for example, the vast majority of umpires are 55 or older. I received my OHSAA softball license in 2015, and I was one of only two students in the softball umpire class that year...and we are a larger association. In the next ten years, many umpires in my association and across the state will be retiring and (if things continue on the path they are) there will not be enough new, younger umpires to take even half of their places.

Like anything, there are multiple reasons for the decline in young umpires. But I think one of the main reasons for a lack of twenty-something and younger umpires is that generation's aversion to disagreements, particularly heated ones. During the course of a softball game (or basketball game or volleyball game) you make calls that elicit strong negative responses. It is inevitable. You will blow a call, and even if you don't blow a call, you will still have people screaming at you. Many in that generation, growing up with fluffy conflict resolution theories pounded into their heads, are ill equipped for the shock of a grown man violently angry to the point of drooling and screaming two inches from your face, telling you are a moron you for not making an obstruction call at home plate or because you call a strike on a batter who gets hit with a pitch that is in the strike zone.

That said, I actually believe the abuse that umpires take is overstated. I have had very few problems at all. I think a lot of people miss out on the absolute blast that officiating is simply because they don't want to deal with the yelling and bad behavior of coaches, parents, etc. But, if you actually hustle and bone up on the rules, games almost always go without a hitch.

Unfortunately, it is really hard to override the various YouTube videos of fans, parents, and coaches behaving like complete jack asses towards softball umpires. Example: the now famous video of the youth softball catcher moving out of the way to let the umpire get hit with the pitch.

Any way, hope you can find some umpires in the Chardon area. Like a previous poster wrote, if you get younger umpires be sure to meet with the coaches to let them know the situation and to be adults and hold back from the major blow-ups, whining and belly aching.
 
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I've never worked a softball game, but I like to officiate wrestling. They pay you to watch and tell everyone in the building what you see from the best seat in the house.

I can tell you that there is nothing more frustrating, to me, than an official who won't check a coach who can't keep their mouth shut. The problem is it emboldens them. They get away with giving 1 guy the business a few times, pretty soon they try it with another one and it slides, then 3 or 4 guys later I have to throw them out because they have turned into a raving idiot who their family and friends wouldn't even recognize.

Once upon a time I was working a dual meet tournament. A few matches into it a guy I know comes over and says "Will you trade mats with me for the next one?"

I told him no way, I've got the best table in here and we are working pretty good together.

He says "Come on.. Please? I've got this team from Sylvania next, their coaches are being really mean to me..."

Are you kidding me? I said do you got a skirt and a nice blouse you want me to wear for it over there in one of the corners?

This is a grown man, career military guy, wife and 2 kids.

Unbelievable.

About 2 minutes into it the coaches piped up, I penalized them immediately, told them they are not there to coach me, and asked them how their AD was going to like the letter the OHSAA sends him about what a tool he or she has coaching the wrestling team. They were as calm as Hindu cattle after that.
 

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That South Park clip could have easily taken place in Wyandot County, OH. :D

Off on a tangent here.

Once upon a time they asked me to coach the little local rec ball team. My kid wanted to play so WTH, right?

We played a team from Tiffin in our 1st game and they beat us. The summer rolled on and for some reason we had to play that same team from Tiffin a 2nd time in the last game before the tournament.

We beat them pretty bad the 2nd time.

In the middle of the game their coach, who was also a baseball coach at Tiffin U at the time, looked in our dug out on his way to coach 1st base and said "We figured out what you did.. real clever.. we are appealing this game to the league!"

????

I asked the guy what he was talking about. He said "You know what you're doing... Yep... You know... And you're not getting away with it..."

The next time his team was batting he came in the dug out and said "These aren't the same girls you had in the first game and you know it. You got a whole new team and used the same names as you used in the first game. We checked the book, they're the same names, different players though..."

Ok, this was funny for a few seconds, but you can GTFOOH now, idiot.

On his way out he said "that kid you had at 2nd made 8 errors in the last game, no one could hit, your pitching is better" and blah and blah and blah.

Before the game was over he came back and apologized. He said "I'm just really competitive..."

We all are, not all of us a bat **** crazy though.

I was expecting some south park "bat dad" action out of him. He let me down.
 

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No, this is a good example of why parents should mind their manners.

Spot on...Our Rec league had a mix of adults and kids as young as 13 umpiring. Yeah, some kids struggled with consistency but others were actually better than their adult counterparts and had more hustle. If a parent got out of hand generally the crowd would would handle it and if it got too bad a league rep would come down.

Alcohol during youth events is more of an issue than kids umpiring...
 
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