Umpires that need to move to Freshman/JV

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I am not starting this to bash all umpires just the one that are thinking of themselves as well as the associations that allow it to go on.

Points:

1. If you reach a certain age its time to do rec ball or Freshman/JV games. What is that age I would say no older than 60. Where we live we have umpires that do varsity games that are in their mid 70's. I do not know about you but my eye sight was much better when I was 25 than when I was 40. The speed of varsity has past them by.
2. If you are out of shape to the point it effects the game it is time to go. Go do HS Tennis. I was at a game this week that the base umpire was always out of position because of his size. Matter of fact in this game there where at the least a half a dozen extra base hits and every time he would almost colide with the runner going to 2B. 2 times the runner had to ajust their running path not to run into the umpire as he struggled to get into position.

First off these umpires need to drop their pride and start doing the Freshman/JV (this is still pushing it) and rec ball games. The associations local and state need to get "a set" and step up and set some standards and implement them into action. Second, this game is for the girls and not about umpires supplimenting their SS chacks or disability checks. It is a classic "good old (when I say old I mean it) boy" system. The girls suffer because of it.

What is your thoughts?

 

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'Sorry BDD, JV already has enough of this type of umps already.

Like Friday, when the catcher dropped the third strike, so the ump yells "tag her".....

 

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'Sorry BDD, JV already has enough of this type of umps already.

Like Friday, when the catcher dropped the third strike, so the ump yells "tag her".....

Sorry Louuuuu but that made me bust out laughing .

 

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'Sorry BDD, JV already has enough of this type of umps already.

Like Friday, when the catcher dropped the third strike, so the ump yells "tag her".....

Still laughing!!!!!!!!!! That is just too funny! Thank you!

 

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enough at JV- then lets move them to Tennis. Or if they still want to do softball move them to rec ball. Or better yet mens slowpitch.

 

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'Sorry BDD, JV already has enough of this type of umps already.

Like Friday, when the catcher dropped the third strike, so the ump yells "tag her".....

Laughing hysterically here too:lmao:

 

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Should an umpire be physically fit enough to handle the speed of the game or the level he is working?

Absolutely, yes!

Should the umpires be well-trained and experienced enough to handle games at any level?

Yes!

That would be nice in a perfect world. Unfortunately, the reality is that whoever is assigning games doesn't always have the luxury of picking and choosing from a group of physically fit, well-trained, experienced umpires.

The reality is that you have a pool of officials with varying degrees of ability and- almost as impotantly- varying degrees of availability (not every umpire has a day job that allows him to get to a high school game at 5:00).

The reality is that you either take what you can or you don't have enough umpires to handle the games.

Even if you could weed out the bad ones, that doesn't mean that a new official is going to automatically sign on to take his place. So, if you got rid of, say, the bottom 10%, who is going to replace them? Even if you got one new umpire for every one that left, you now have traded one problem for another- you have green, inexperienced, rookie umpires to cover your games. That can be just as bad.

My suggestion for anyone having problems with the umpires assigned to their games is to make their concerns known to whichever local association or group that assigns them. Be specific in your complaints and concerns- don't just complain because you didn't like the calls that went against you.

The assigners for these umpire associations usually take their jobs pretty seriously. They try to fit umpires to the level of games that fit their skills. If an umpire is having a lot of complaints, they can provide additional training or move him down to a more suitable level.

But the core problem will always be there- not enougn competent officials with the right availability to cover all the games that need covered.

 

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'Sorry BDD, JV already has enough of this type of umps already.

Like Friday, when the catcher dropped the third strike, so the ump yells "tag her".....

:lmao: Did the catcher get the runner out at least ????? :lmao:

 

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Yes we have enough of those types @ JV. When @ the plate conference before a game. Most of the umpires will tell you @ the JV level they still consider it a learning league. That may have been the reason for shouting tag her.

 

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I'm thinking 60 is a little arbitrary as a cut-off age. The real question is whether the official is in shape to cover his or her responsibilities. There are 35 year olds who can't satisfy that requirement and many at 60 or older who can.

 

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my dd plays in the Suburban League these so called umps are just down right BAD..they do not know what a strike zone is and god forbid the pitcher throws a change up,i think these old guys get fooled.calling strikes that hit right at the back of the plate..missing calls in the field because they cant get in position,just a horrible bunch of guys just taking the $$$$$ Shame on all of you so called umpires!!!

 

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Not even good enough for JV.maybe Coach pitch

 

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JV umps have it more difficult in general. At the games I've attended, there has only been 1 umpire, so that right there tells you the importance placed on JV games. There are a few that should get out of the game, but I've also seen some good ones. I saw one that would run all the way to 2nd from home to make a call, then run back to home if there was another throw. He always tried to get into position to make the call. As Bretman said, there just aren't enough umps to go around and people have to realize it is what it is; frustrating yes, but it is reality.

 

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I'm glad I could provide comic relief to this situation.

(The runner was tagged out, by the way.)

I was under the impression that Rec Ball was the "learning league". Once the girls move on to tournament and high school ball, the teaching is supposed to be by the coaches. Supposed to be...

At this point, let's have the ump just call the game. And let's have the ump both physically and mentally capable of doing it, As BlueDevilDad initially suggested.

 

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I don't think age is a factor. My Father in Law could beat the **** out of me at golf at 80. Bretman is correct it is experience and the one weakness I see most is how to handle people. How you present yourself can get you in trouble with coaches. I was at a local JV game when the home plate umpire told the coach," if she bends over at the plate I'm going to call it a strike". Now I would have went to the coach and told him the strike zone is based on her standing up , not bent over, so if you feel I'm calling a high strike zone, that is the reason. The top approach got everyone upset, since in JV the girl was having a difficult time finding the strike zone and he called a few that was over her head, not shoulders, just to make a point. CGS can relate to this one. Blue setting with me at Springfield, was not even in the game, but wanted to point out if he was umpiring he would call our pitcher on an illegal pitch. He said it loud enough so everyone could hear it. Trying to impress us, Came across as a jerk. I had a blue come up to me and ask me a rule, because he wasn't sure. This impressed me. He did it one on one and stated he hadn't worked many high school games this year. I'm teased , my some friends because they know I carry many of the rule books in my car.

 

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Age has something to do with it. Yes there will always be exceptions but those are very few.

We had an umpire this year that was blind in one eye. He had a patch over one eye and called the plate in our game.

 

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Sorry, but that's just an ignorant comment bluedevildad. I lost an eye in an accident at the age of 6 and while I am not an umpire, there is no reason I couldn't be. When they have a patch on both eyes, then you have an issue.

 

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We've had our turn at bad umps Truth is only so many umps out there to cover games pure luck as to who you get. Only wish that the ump wouldn't have ties to either team.

 

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'Sorry BDD, JV already has enough of this type of umps already.

Like Friday, when the catcher dropped the third strike, so the ump yells "tag her".....

this definitely belongs on the Umpiring Darwin list... ABSOLUTELY A LAUGH OUT LOUD moment

http://www.game-ex.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=15887

 

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It's a common point in umpire manuals and training clinics- DO NOT coach the players!