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I have heard that there are certain weight training excersises that fastpitch pitchers shouldn't do. Does anyone know what excersises they can and can't do? I'm sure legs are very important with few restrictions, but the upper body lifting excersises are my concern. :confused:
 
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Do not bulk up too much. Pitching was my DD secondary area. She did pretty well until she started weight lifting. Helped her power and pure strength but hurt her pitching as she built more upper body muscle.
 
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Baseball/Softball is NOT a Sport where Bulk is needed or wanted. SO be careful about weight training.
 
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This question has been run around the block several times in the past - with many differing opinions. I'll tell you what worked for my DD, but YOUR DD probably has a different physical build, different strength level, etc. So I'd recommend a "softball specific" sports trainer to guide you, and also ask a few college level pitchers directly what worked for them.

Legs - you are correct. The stronger, the better.

Forearms/Finger Grip - Get a five gallon popcorn can and fill it about 1/2 to 3/4 with rice. Set it near the couch so when your DD watches TV, she can slip on a batting glove and "dive" her hand to the bottom. Wriggle the fingers, wrist etc. It's tough, but really worked for general forearm and grip strength. Also get a rubber "squish ball" like used in physical therapy. Keep handy to squeeze when just sitting around.

Get a length of 1 1/2" PVC pipe (about 18" or so), a 2# weight (anything that can be tied to the end of a rope will work, but we used a dumbbell), and a length of "soft" rope (we used sash cord). Drill a hole dead center in the pipe, big enough to pass the rope through. Pass the rope through the hole and knot the end so it won't slip back through. While holding the pipe straight out level in front of her (Frankenstein arms), let the rope hang down, and cut it just long enough so that when the weight is tied on the end, it will be suspended just off the floor. Have her hold the pipe as described, palms down, then roll the pipe (WITHOUT moving her arms) to wind the rope and bring the weight up. At the top, reverse the twist to lower the weight to the floor. Repeat. Then turn hands over palm up and do the same procedure. Guaranteed to build "Popeye" forearms - she'll feel the burn!! IMO, this is one of the best exercises for pitchers. As she gets older, having strong forearms is important for good spin on the ball. As she starts imparting more spin, she'll feel the soreness in her forearms if she's not conditioned well.

On the advice of 3 Big 10 pitchers, we avoided excessive shoulder/bicep/tricep work, other than light strength training. That was what worked for my DD, but yours may need different strength/conditioning for her shoulders. Long and loose - that's the key. Bulky shoulders was not on our priority list. Well conditioned shoulders was our goal.

P.S. - Even though your DD only pitches with one, always work BOTH arms/hands the same. This is important for balance issues. Any weight trainer will explain this.

Hope that helps...
 
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Great advice Sammy... well put... Golfers were told for years to not workout - add bulk, then along comes Tiger and blows them all away... I would say weight training to the norm (not extreme) and maintaining your flexibility will only make you a better athlete in any sport...
 
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DD started training: sprints, agility, stretch bands and weights. She really only power lifts for her legs, but she also does light weights weights for upper body and shoulders. Lean muscle mass is the goal. She really has transformed herself from the Fall to now.
 
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One of our girls is attending Children's Hospital Sports Med. Dept and working with Jensen Brent and he has allowed me to observe and ask questions and has provided me with some handouts.

I am not a trainer so I am only passing on what I have read for myself:

From John Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore Maryland 2009

"Sports such as gymnastics and baseball,which involve repetitive impact and torque, provide a greater risk of epiphyseal injury."
Epiphyseal injuries are injuries that occur at the epiphyseal plate or growth plate of children and adolescents. They commonly occur near the major joints of the limbs, especially the knee, ankle, elbow and wrist.

"Similar to rare epiphyseal injuries, soft tissue injuries to the lower back are usually the result of poor technique, too much weight, or ballistic lifts. Most serious injuries to the lower back occur while using free weights."

"Furthermore, strength training combined with plyometric exercises may reduce the incidence of sports related ACL injuries in adolescent girls."

"Strength training at a young age can be beneficial, but it is not a panacea for sports related injuries."

I would encourage anyone to visit this site I have attached to see what the PEP program is about. Go to www.aclprevent.com/pepprogram.htm

If that link does not work Google pep acl.

When I started to understand the anatomical differences in how the female balances, the Q angle, the notch that the ACL passes through is smaller or narrower in a female than male, the wider hips, the imbalance of the hamstring to quad and most importantly why the glutes do not fire the knee like it does in the male, then I finally understood if a girl hits ugly they throw over hand ugly! They have ankle problems, hamstring issues, quads and lower back pain etc. They do not shift their weight correctly for the most part and their bodies are not balanced as to strength as to left and right. This is why their shoulder, arms and elbow hurts in females because they do not transfer the weight correctly and they do not use their legs and they are all upper body! It is also why most girls who do this cannot hit to the opposite field as well because the front side fly's open.

It stems from not flexing or bending the knee as they must be taught how to do it verses a male. When we jump our glutes fire and the knee flexes automatically and theirs does not upon landing however they can be taught how to do it and they will throw harder and hit better in my opinion.

A simple test is to have them just jump up in the air and listen to how loud they land. Then have them bend at the waist and soften the knees and repeat and usually they will land on the balls of their feet verses flat footed. Our parents who have boys and girls claim they know when their son comes down the stairs verses the daughters as they claim the daughters sound like an elephant because they do not flex the knees.

Get with a qualified trainer is the bottom line.
 
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From my dd's pitching coach, get a 5 gallon bucket and fill it with rice. have your daughter put her hand in it and swirl it around and then change directions. do this several times. Another is to drill the center of a ball. Put a bunji cord through the ball and knot it. hook it to a nail so the hook does not come loose and hurt the player. have her go thourgh her underhanded pitching motion with the resistance. These will both build arm strength in younger players without weights.
 
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Note to self: Keep posts shorter to help maintain focus... :confused: :D
 
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All of the posts have great great advice. One of the truest statements is that it depends on the DD. My DD is 5' 2'' and 115 lbs she has been seriously working hard to get stronger and has already been doing alot of the above exercises.Less weight and more reps has been working for her She has been especially working on her core which I have been told by several professional trainers is essential for most sports. It is really showing in her pitching and hitting for that matter. She is stronger and more conditioned than she ever has been(and still has work to do lol). Nutrition has been very much essential for her as her metabolism is so high she has to eat 5 small meals a day and drinks at least a half gallon of water a day to keep up with losing weight when she works out. She takes in alot of carbs and protien for energy and muscle gain. She has elected to eat more natural foods verses supplements which all the studies support. All this is hard for a 15 yr old but I guess the most important thing in all travel players is dedication. What is making me the happiest as a coach and father is that she is doing it on her own. She wants to do it for herself and thats all that matters to me!
 
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Thank you very much for all the advice. I will definately have her do some of this, and seeing that my sister is a licensed personal trainer I will have her do some research and maybe help her in this area. I was wondering about the upper body definately. I do know that light weight, more reps is definately the way to go. My dd is about 5'6" and weighs 118. She is very lean, but is definately strong. She just needs to build stronger legs and work lightly on her upper body. Thanks for the help and great advice!! :)
 
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Well josh, today i did 100 situps, 50 push ups, 20 squats with weights in my hand. i also ran for an hour. :) after i drunk my yummy protein shake. =]
 
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DD had an injury this year. On advice from more expereinced softball parents and coaches have begun taking her to a trainer that works on speed and strength. The strength portion is more from plyometrics than any weight training. I definately am seeing an improvement as well as a whole body physical fitness.
 

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