west virginia school ball and travel ball

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Rick I'd be surprised if most the PA schools don't do this as well. I know some are more lenient than others but once conditioning starts if you are not playing for another school sport team (basketball, cheerleading, etc.) then you are not playing for any other teams until the season is officially over. Now, in Trinity the Middle School Program is over very early - usually around 3rd week of May. But depending on how playoffs go JV & Varsity can be tied up for May and even part of June. However, depending on the player and the coach - sometimes they will let you play with your travel team - if you are sitting otherwise - just to get in more experience for the next season.

I know that you can't play both unless athletic director signs a waiver...so at our school he signs a waiver for all sports... cover all...

 

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Most JH/MS programs are club teams, so I would say that most play both. If you feel like you have to make a decision one way or the other, however, I would go with travel ball with this age group, IMHO.

Regarding HS, most put up with the restrictions and play both. By this age most TB coaches are tolerant of the restrictions as there isn't as much skill building that need to occur, so year around practice isn't as crucial. Having said that, there are some that forego HS in lieu of the TB experience particularly if the HS program doesn't fit their desired level of competition.

Thanks. I will have to find out if her school is a club team, I don't know what that is. She will stay travel if she has to choose but she wants one of the hoodies the school gives the players. Kids

 

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As a certified athletic administrator let me tell you that this is an area that many states are going into that they are not and should not go. They are playing on the ignorance of the general public. No one and I mean no one is allowed to dictate what you are allowed to do on your own time. This is clearly outlined and has been backed by the courts. The coach, who is an employee of the school system, IS governed by the high school association, but the players are only governed while they under the jurisdiction of the school, which means during practice and game times. What you do on your own time is not for them to govern. This has to be legally challenged to be overturned.

The only problem is that it would take a law suit or threatened suit against the high school league to get this overturned. This is one of those situations where high school leagues have stepped over their boundaries and they know it, but they will let it ride until somebody challenges it in court. The ACLU and anyone with a decent lawyer would get this overturned.

Problem is that most people believe that schools can do what they want, and pretty much they can, and do not challenge rulings, even when they are wrong. They play and act on ignorance, and the truth is, that it has to be chalenged in court or through the courts and most people do not have the money to do so, don't want to rock the boat or just plain don't care, so it never gets challenged. But I can tell you that any lawyer worth his salt would have it overturned without any trouble and force this or any high school league to stay out of peoples business away from the playing field.

Ty

 

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ACLU is a four letter word. We allowed to say that here?

 

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What they(ACLU) are supposed to do is step in when people's rights are infringed upon without regard for the law. Unfortunately they step in too often and then at times not when they should. But that is what these high school leagues are doing. They are trying to regulate what you do on your own time and that is against your civil rights. Next high school leagues will start trying to regulate how often you can go to batting cages, and things like that too. Unless it is challenged and stopped, they will continue to act above the law, which in this case, they are not.

This is straight out of Athletic Adminstration 101! But it is the rule until it gets challenged. Several states in the south have similar rules and nobody will challenge it because of ignorance of the laws.

Ty

 

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Here is what OHSAA says in Ohio, I host a Jr. High League and the rules apply starting in the 7th grade. I have one sponsored/sanctioned team participating in the RVBFY Club Softball league this year and this was OHSAA's response.

Mr. Delawder:
School teams are permitted 17 regular season contests and one postseason tournament not to exceed four games. They can schedule the games with whomever they wish as long as the team meets OHSAA bylaws and sports regulations. Schools can play school teams or non-school teams and teams from non-member schools. The team must be in compliance with OHSAA bylaws and sports regulations.

Members of school teams cannot, while playing for their school team during the season, participate in non-school softball activities, such as participating by practicing or playing games with a non-school team. This would make the student ineligible for their school team. The students who are members of school teams cannot play for their school team and another team, but if their school team schedules one of their 17 contests or five of their 17 contests against one of your league teams, as long as OHSAA playing rules are followed and the bylaws regarding playing against students below 7th grade, etc. are followed, the team would just be playing a game that is on their schedule. Outside of the season of the sport, no more than four members of a school team can play together, except from June 1-July 31.
Roxanne

 

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Believe me Treck, I am working on this issue right now with the dinosaur OHSAA.

Yes, it is true that it has been overturned in some states where the issue has been fought in the courts. Federal courts. I've been doing some research myself and have a crack team of law students working on this issue as we speak for the price of beer and pizza (cheaper than a lawyer researching)

The Ohio girls are at a disadvantage as compared to many states who play ball 12 months out of the year with no rules governing them in their states.

This puts our Ohio girls at a disadvantage when seeking NCAA scholarships. Yes, 1% percent get scholarships to college softball... but there is other ways to support a player when a college doesn't offer scholarships.

My brother went to Ohio State on a 1/2 scholarship in 1969 and his job of emptying one (1) trash can in his dorm was his job that paid the other part of college...lol

Point is.. these regulations puts our Ohio girls at a disadvantage because of the regulation.

I tried to give out 1500 first place travel monies for teams in this economy to help afford going to Nationals events of their choosing.... but OHSAA said it can't be done.

Basing a monetary prize on the placement of team in a tournament is illegal in Ohio. NCAA had no problem as it fit within their guidelines with ease. (There are tournaments in California where the prize money is $5000.00 for 1st place and are still within the NCAA guidelines ).

Problem is nobody wants to complain to the dinosaur OHSAA. I could careless about them personally. My state rep is on the Education committee in Senate. I have talked with him and he has saw some of the paperwork I have forwarded to him and his staff.

Education Dept is over OHSAA and there is a board and a separate member of the Education Department who oversees the board as a so called spectator.

I had a conversation with the spectator/overseer for two hours about a month ago and we come to the conclusion that he was protecting the dinosaur (OHSAA) and I was in favor of getting rid of the regulations on our girls concerning money prizes and just getting rid of the old board members in the OHSAA that doesn't want change as it would probally be their jobs walking out the door if change comes about.

But, I left him with this message before hanging up.... I told him in no uncertain terms... " I'll get this overturned in the courts if necessary or I will die first".

He knows I meant every word I said.

I'm trying to gather funds to do so and like Ricky Moorehead runs tournaments here in Ohio to help offset the costs of the OFC.... I'm try to run tournaments so I can rid our girls of these silly regulations placed on them by a no good regulatory committee (OHSAA) that has no purpose in life but to keep their job.

 

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Hallaluyah!

Finally somebody doing something! You will win!!! High School leagues can legislate what the coaches do, but not what players do on their own time.

Please keep me information. I have similar situations I am keeping up with in Tennessee and Alabama that I am sure would like to hear how yours comes out.

Ty