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What is a good strike out rate per inning pitched?
What is a good Strike out rate for 10U pitcher ( or pitcher at any level)
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Whatever it takes to get a win.
Many pitchers are successful because they keep the hitters off balance - so no one makes good contact. Weak grounders or pop-up outs count just as much...
Many pitchers are successful because they keep the hitters off balance - so no one makes good contact. Weak grounders or pop-up outs count just as much...
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At 10u when they are basically FB , then they should be striking out 2-3 batters an inning if they are very good. By the time they get to 16u, then 1-2 strikeouts an inning for very good strikeout type pitchers. Slower pitchers who throw with good movement and deception need not strike anyone out to be very good.
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I agree like Crash Davis said "Strike outs are fascist”
I was just curious if there is a good benchmark.
Would a better bench mark be K to BB+HB ratio?
ERA and Batters Faced per inning is dependent on other players.
I was just looking for a pitching Metric to use as a gauge.
I completely agree, a pitcher who is getting outs no matter how is doing a good job and would never base anything on a single statistic.
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I know... I wasn't trying to be an elitist snob - it really depends on your team defense; if the other 8 players can't get anybody out, then you better be throwing a ton of "K's"...
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1-2 strikeouts per inning is very good, but ERA and WHIP (walks/hits per inning pitched) are better indicators of pitching success. Of course, you need a score keeper who knows the difference between hits and errors... lol
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WHIP score is probably your best all around indicator of a pitchers effectiveness. It takes the defense completely out of the equation.
Having said that...not all pitchers being equal, a higher K percentage will keep your runs against down than a pitcher that gets by on better defense.
Example: Pitcher A and Pitcher B both walk the bases loaded in the 1st inning. If relying on defense, it's almost inevitable that 1 or 2 runs will score...even if the outs are made. A pitcher that can strike out the side, gives up no runs.
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Not a big fan of K's per inning or even K's/BB, probably partially because my DD was never a strikeout pitcher, plus last I knew a strikeout, groundout and flyout all count the same. My DD averaged a little over 6 per 7 innings in high school, and only a little over 3 per 7 innings in college, but left both schools as the all time career wins leaders. Not bragging ... just making a point that I don't think you use should K ratios as a key metric. It really is all about OBP% against (similar to WHIP) and ERA. On the teams I coach, I also look at baserunners and runs/inning.
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I'll throw my two cents in and suggest this: Instead of looking at YOUR pitchers' K% or K/Inning stats to answer this, look at your team's offensive stats from an entire 10U season and calculate your oppenents' K% and/or K/Inning stat. By definition, this would be the Average of the pitchers you faced that season. Of course, this will be different for each team based on multiple factors, not the least of which is the level of hitting on your team in general. May be interesting. The data I have for a 10U Season shows .972 strikeouts per inning.
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It's always better to get strikeouts vs. outs made by the rest of the defense, but the older they get the less strikeouts we see.
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Not true. Ask your JV coach how they did this past Monday. ;&
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Best travel ball pitching three pitch three ground out inning get out of sun lol. At 10u really good pitchers prob get two most innings
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As our dd has progressed from starting out to being a veteran pitcher (from 11 years to 16), one of the things I found helpful was the number of pitches per inning as a general gauge for effectiveness. She's not a strikeout pitcher as she's mostly a spins kind of pitcher, but if she's averaging 10 to 15 pitches an inning she's being very effective.
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We're not really talking about strike out rates for 10 year olds are we ???
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No was just saying warren relax buddy
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Strike outs, just like home runs is just another statistic - albeit with a certain "wow factor". Getting sidetracked by focusing on these statistics can hinder a pitcher's development. "Effective pitching" should be the ultimate focus. Softball is about winning games in a sportsmanlike fashion, and it takes 9 individuals on the field in perfect sync to consistently win games. Expecting your pitcher(s) to strike out batters to mask a weak fielding defense is unrealistic. Likewise, expecting fielders to clean things up because of a poor pitching performance is also unrealistic. Those type of teams are never successful in the long run.
Strike outs attract attention, but there is some underlying facts to look at. What level is the opponent? What level of competition is the pitcher facing on a consistent basis? As with any high level athlete, skills won't improve unless you are tested to your limits and beyond. Only then will you know your true skill level. College coaches look far beyond the strike out statistic, because there's a LOT more to the equation. I'd take a 21 pitch "perfect game" total team effort any day over a 21 strike out game. The difference? 21 strike outs requires a minimum of 63 pitches - over 3 times as many pitches. The result? Your pitcher is rested and available for multiple games where wins are needed to go the distance in a tournament. IMO, two of the most important pitching statistics to gauge effectiveness is walks per game and total pitches per game. Anything under 90 pitches over seven innings against excellent hitters is very good.
Also, strike outs do not necessarily decrease with age level. Strike outs typically decrease simply because the pitcher is facing much better hitters - and that can happen at any age level.
Strike outs attract attention, but there is some underlying facts to look at. What level is the opponent? What level of competition is the pitcher facing on a consistent basis? As with any high level athlete, skills won't improve unless you are tested to your limits and beyond. Only then will you know your true skill level. College coaches look far beyond the strike out statistic, because there's a LOT more to the equation. I'd take a 21 pitch "perfect game" total team effort any day over a 21 strike out game. The difference? 21 strike outs requires a minimum of 63 pitches - over 3 times as many pitches. The result? Your pitcher is rested and available for multiple games where wins are needed to go the distance in a tournament. IMO, two of the most important pitching statistics to gauge effectiveness is walks per game and total pitches per game. Anything under 90 pitches over seven innings against excellent hitters is very good.
Also, strike outs do not necessarily decrease with age level. Strike outs typically decrease simply because the pitcher is facing much better hitters - and that can happen at any age level.
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We don't have a JV team and I was speaking from experience with my older dd pitching in travel ball and now college. The reason I think K's are better than defensive outs is because runners can tag on the bases with fly ball outs.
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I thought the object of the game was to get 21 outs and score more runs than the other team. Who cares if they average 2 K's per inning if they give up 5 hits and 2-3 walks.
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OK. I just noticed that you're in Cuyahoga Falls, and thought you may have been involved in the school program over there.
