What position should the weakest defender play?

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Right Field

Most balls hit to right are lazy fly balls, or sinking liners. With a little softball savvy, they should at least be able to knock them down.
Balls hit to left field are usually "the shots," harder hit balls that are harder to handle, and harder to judge.
 
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This has happened to our team in the past (and I'm sure not just our team). It didn't really seem to matter much, cuz as luck would have it, the ball always seemed to come to her, usually with an error attached. I hate to say it, but the E/P or D/H possition suited her best.
 
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I agree with boyh Johnnies and the wave. I also found your answers to be very entertaining....... :)
 
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Sorry about the typo.....
 
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Strong, fast pitcher facing mostly RH batters - LF
Strong, fast pitcher facing LH slappers & bunters - RF
Junk pitcher facing mostly RH batters - RF
Junk pitcher facing LH slappers & bunters - LF

Sometimes the bench isn't an option. One summer DD's team had injuries and played a few games with only nine. One was a frequent pine-rider. After much head scratching, she wound up in RF - ball finds her late in the game, rolls to the fence. You can guess the outcome...

High school team had a big, slow girl at 1st. You can probably guess what the better coached teams did against them...
 
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Sticks: I think that a lot of the people on here have HUGE egos and are "way better" than the average coach or person. I do coach and hate to have a girl sit out all the time,but I try to get her at least 1 at bat and 1 inning of defense if at all possible.Usually in right field. It is the coaches job to work with kids to make better, not to have them sit and watch constantly. We as adults sometimes tend to get caught up in the win at all costs thing at too young of an age group.I would be curious as to what age you are takling about. Good luck to all this season!!
 
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I would say it depends on her weakness. If she can field and catch the ball but has a weak arm and is/or is slower then 1st or second is where I play her. If she has a decent arm and speed then left field, at least she could run the ball down and get it back in. As a travel coach I didn't have to deal with those choices so much. It was more of putting players in the best position to help them succeed rather than MS school ball that I do now where you try to minimize your weaknesses based on the players I have to work with. Plus my coaching philosophy with MS school ball is if you made the cut you're good enough to play so you will get at least 2-3 innings every game so I get creative with the defense and flex rule. ;)
 
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My response had nothing to do with ego. Though I'm not sure why we would have a player that was so weak defensively that we would have to try and "hide" her somewhere. For our team, after 6 1/2 months of practice up to this point, and another 4 months worth of practice and tournaments coming up now, combined with well over 5 digits "invested" by the time all is said and done, it would be crazy to have a player that had to be hidden somewhere. Either we shouldn't have rostered that player or we blew it coaching her. Its not just about winning. Its about learning and playing better. If our girls do that the wins come automatically. But thats just me. But, if a few of ours girls got hurt and we had to scramble to just pick up a player (and roster her) to fill in and she was a very weak defender then I'll stick with my 3rd base or RF options. I assumed the initial question is one for a scenario where all of the other players are average or above average fielders for their age level and the one player who is not, is well below average. IF she can remotely make a play, then there are more options of course
 
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Johnnies said:
[quote author=Pakman link=1205521021/0#7 date=1205522761]A very good HS coach told me that first base is the place to put your "9th player".

I would want to play that team.[/quote]

Me too........many teams have lost games from weak 1st base play.
 
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Miami Valley Vipers 14 said:
[quote author=Johnnies link=1205521021/0#8 date=1205523260][quote author=Pakman link=1205521021/0#7 date=1205522761]A very good HS coach told me that first base is the place to put your "9th player".

I would want to play that team.[/quote]

Me too........many teams have lost games from weak 1st base play.[/quote]

You guys are making an assumption that this player would be weak enough to cost her team the game. Maybe she is the considered the weakest defensive player on her team but maybe she is better than any player on the other team.

I know the coach in question and if you understand their philosophy then you can better understand their statement. And no, you do not want to play their team because I would bet you might get out coached.
 
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Ohio Wave said:
Stat keeper / pitch charter / dugout organizer


The fact is we all have times when we have to find a place for a player with lesser skills to play. The most logical place on the field seems like it would be left field. There is no circumstance that I could think of where I would put that player anywhere on the dirt. Especially 2nd base. This is based not only on pure fielding abilities but infielders tend to have multiple responsibilities ad coverages that they have to be able to execute. Also consider this, you really need to make every out you possibly can that is hit on the ground or in the air on the infield. Extra outs given up here are runs. Remember "The ball always finds the weakest player"

However as coaches it's our main responsibility to get that player better. We tend to spend more time with the bottom three or four then we do with the top six.
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I totally agree with you. Also, good (fast) pitchers means late swingers so most balls to go CF or RF. However if you are playing a team with 7 lefties... make a switch.
 
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I would not recommend putting your weakest player at second base unless you are of the age group where defining "weakest" is actually a reference to arm strength. At very young ages, then it may be a consideration to put a very good fielder who lacks the arm strength to throw from 3rd to 1st or SS to 1st, at second base as long as she can throw accurate slow throws to 1st.

That said, once you migrate past the issue of being of age to make the longer throws, then the issue develops into being qualified to field and throw quickly, not necessarily hard (there is a difference). If you were to break down the actual mechanics of the fundamentals of proper position play, a right handed 2nd baseman probably has the toughest job on the dirt (other than a left handed SS). "Fundamentals" being defined as jab step, flip toss, knee flip toss, reverse direction overhand throw, etc. Cumulatively, the 2nd base spot has more possibilities of delivering the throw to 2nd, than does SS unless the SS is left handed. As for making the double play, it's still 60 feet regardless if the SS or 2nd baseman is standing on second delivering the ball to 1st, so both SS & 2nd need to have the arm strength to get the job done.

While reviewing Candrea's infielder responsibilities, my cliff notes were longer on 2nd base play than any other position he discussed, so IMO, I'd say the reference to 2nd is way off base (no pun intended).

My practice has always been to put my weakest in either left or right based on the speed of my pitching. Generally, I don't know the number of lefties vs righties on our opponents teams, but I do know the speed levels of my pitching crew. Initially, my slower pitchers have a very good left fielder behind her, my faster ones have a good right fielder backing her up. Profile your opponents batters and make your adjustments with your oufield play.
 
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This is a very good discussion but it seems that many people jump to conclusions. No where in the original post does it mention that this girl s*cks! Yall act like she can't even field a ball. Nothing like that is ever mentioned. No matter what youre going to have someone who is maybe just slightly behind in some way thus making her the weakest defended but not neccessarily so bad that she can't play afterall she is on the team so there must be something that made the coaches choose her. To me is just sounds like some coaches where discussing positions and had differences in importance of position. JMHO
 
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Left Field -- Hope she has a good arm though, backing up catchers throws to third. By no means should second base be the 9th -- Second base is probably the third needed position with an above average pitcher.
 
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footwear50 said:
[quote author=Miami Valley Vipers 14 link=1205521021/25#28 date=1205529234][quote author=Johnnies link=1205521021/0#8 date=1205523260][quote author=Pakman link=1205521021/0#7 date=1205522761]A very good HS coach told me that first base is the place to put your "9th player".

I would want to play that team.[/quote]

Me too........many teams have lost games from weak 1st base play.[/quote]

You guys are making an assumption that this player would be weak enough to cost her team the game. Maybe she is the considered the weakest defensive player on her team but maybe she is better than any player on the other team.

I know the coach in question and if you understand their philosophy then you can better understand their statement. And no, you do not want to play their team because I would bet you might get out coached.[/quote]

Probably should just give them the state trophy now and lets just get started with travel ball!
 
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Game time coaching is overrated. Great coaches show up on the practice field. Their reward is how their team plays on game day
 
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Agree with Sammy on this, especially for HS ball. Absolutely not in the infield ... and, 2B or 1B, you have to be kidding?! We track our assists and putouts each year ... if you take away the putouts the catcher gets for strikeouts, 1B leads the team in putouts each year and 2B leads in assists. With that being said, you obviously need to take into consideration the girl's hitting, the pitcher, and what the girl can handle defensively.
 
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OK, so perhaps this is a separate topic but - where do you put your pitcher when she is not pitching? Do you try to rest her for another game or put her on the field? DP?
 
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Your weakest player should be your catcher. Especially when your playing our team. ;D
 
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There are a lot of differences in what we could be talking about. High School and Travel ball are two different sports with two different styles of coaching. Travel ball tends to be at a completely different level of both coaching and players. Good travel teams have the abitlity to select their coaches and players and cut the rest. High Schools are unfortunately bound by a small thing called a union contract in which if a teacher wants to coach a softball team they have first dips on the position over an outsider. The High School games I saw last year there was only one bundt and that was an accident. One of the better rec ball teams I saw last year started bundting in the first inning. And the travel ball you didn't know what was going to happen. I know that our girls in travel ball play high school ball and how many of us have told our daughters not change the style that our private pitching coaches and hitting coaches have taught them for some wack ball style that a teacher playing coach read about in a 1932 journal of readers digest. I know that there are some really good high school coaches out there but I believe that they are few a far in between, and a lot of these teachers are getting by with great athletes that started with some great rec. level coaches and then found themselves in a good to great travel team, and when you get a school that have 6 to 9 travel leaguers on one team they ride the wave and just do fielding and hitting practice every day. And what is supprising is that they still can't win a state title because the teacher don't know how to coach and they get beat by average girls with a great coach.

If you only have nine everybodies placement depends on the pitcher I am blessed with a beast so I have speed on the corners for the crash. My catchers are like hockey goalies nothing gets by them and they have arms and decission making abilities to make the throw outs. I have speed with quick decission making abilities at ss and 2nd they both have cannons for arms. My right field sees the most action in the outfield with the beast on the mound (to chase foul balls) so they have to have the glove and speed. My next strongest outfielder is the center. So left is the least gifted with speed but have to catch or we will spend untold hours getting her to that level.

When we have to change our #1 pitcher out, our second pitcher only has one pitch and it is 3/4 the speed on #1 so everything changes, we will move the speed off the corners into the left and center outfield and just put a glove on the first, and a arm on third. So then our weakest position becomes right.

But everything is contengent on the coaching skills and abilities of the other teams coach.

An yes if your weakest player is on first she will have a heart attack by the 4th inning if we play her. And if 2nd is your weakest she is going to have a nervous breakdown by the 3rd. Not bragging just playing smart ball, long or short.
 
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