which base should runner be awarded???

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The rule is one from the pitcher. If a pitch goes out of play its one base.

That would not be the case on a batted ball hit to the pitcher and thrown out of play on a throw to a base. Then it would be two bases.

Also in Baseball on a pickoff attempt if the pitcher throws it out of play it is one base. And yes baseball did, and i am not sure if they still do as i have been in fastpitch for so long, on the first throw from an infielder on the batted ball was awared 2 bases from time of pitch, meaning the batter would only of been awarded 2nd. Again baseball may of since the mid 90's changed this rule.

 

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Also in Baseball on a pickoff attempt if the pitcher throws it out of play it is one base.

At the risk of making this sound like The Ohio Baseball Connection Forum...

That is only half right. When a pitcher engaged with the pitching rubber attempts a pick off and the ball goes out of play, the award is one base.

If a pitcher who has disengaged the rubber attempts a pick off and throws it out of play, the award is two bases.

Baseball has a whole list of things defining a move from the rubber vs. a move off the rubber and what the pitcher can do to execute a legal pick off move. Failure to comply is a balk- something we don't have to worry about in softball because there aren't any lead offs and there aren't any balks!

 

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although isnt an illegal pitch (fastpitch) have the same effect as a balk (baseball) ,,i.e. ball awarded to batter and runners advance one base...if so then isn't one really the other...

 

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While an illegal pitch in softball and a balk in baseball are similar, I wouldn't go as far as to say that "one is the same as the other".

Of course, there is a long list of differences in which physical action results in a balk or an IP (what the pitchers can do and when they can do it).

- Baseball pitcher can throw to a base while in contact with the rubber. Softball pitcher cannot.

- Baseball pitcher can set-up or step outside the width of the rubber. Softball cannot.

- Softball pitcher may legally disengage the rubber by stepping backwards with either foot. Baseball pitcher must step back with the pivot foot.

- If a baseball pitcher drops the ball during the delivery, it is a balk if the ball does not cross a foul line. If a softball pitcher drops the ball during the delivery it is not an illegal pitch.

Those are some of the obvious ones. One of the biggest differences is that the penalization of a balk and an IP are NOT the same! In baseball, a balk results in a one base award to the runners, but NO ball added to the batter's count. The softball IP is a base award AND a ball to the batter.

 

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Bretman, I am not sure who or where you are, but I sure wish you would be an umpire for some of our games. I have umpired for the last twenty years in baseball and softball, and have coached fastpitch for the last ten. I am amazed at the number of umpires who don't know the rules. For example at the pregame conference stating that if the ball goes out of play it is 1 + 1. Every time I read something on here that is incorrect, you are there to correct it. Thank you for learning the rules and explaining them here for everyone to understand. If only we could get MORE umpires to read this forum.

 

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one other question....... 2 runners cannot occupy the same base at the same time BUT...... if does happen, is the lead runner automaticaly out or does a defender have to make a tag?

 

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Bretman, I am not sure who or where you are, but I sure wish you would be an umpire for some of our games. I have umpired for the last twenty years in baseball and softball, and have coached fastpitch for the last ten. I am amazed at the number of umpires who don't know the rules. For example at the pregame conference stating that if the ball goes out of play it is 1 + 1. Every time I read something on here that is incorrect, you are there to correct it. Thank you for learning the rules and explaining them here for everyone to understand. If only we could get MORE umpires to read this forum.

See we all ask him and believe him, but he doesn't exist...

He's the guy behind the backstop razzing the plate up strikes and balls..... Only kidding, one of the best ones out there and would pray to have his quality at every game.... He has also done training for our rec league umps as well....

 

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one other question....... 2 runners cannot occupy the same base at the same time BUT...... if does happen, is the lead runner automaticaly out or does a defender have to make a tag?

There's no automatic out on this play. The defense has to make a tag to get the out.

Depending on the game situation, it's not always the lead runner who is subject to being tagged out. When two runners are on the same base, the lead runner is out on a tag IF the lead runner is forced to advance (ie: by definition of a force play, forced to advance by the batter becoming a batter-runner).

If the lead runner was not forced to advance, then the trailing runner is the one liable to be tagged out.

There is one way a play like this can result in an out being called without a tag and I guess you could call that an "automatic" out. Suppose that two runners were on one base and the defense didn't tag either one of them! They just threw the ball back to the pitcher and she prepared to make the next pitch.

The umpire is supposed to wait long enough that it's obvious no play is going to be made on the runners and the runners aren't trying to advance or retreat, then call time, then declare out the runner who is not entitled to be on the base. I've never had it get to that point before. The defense has always made a tag on this play- and, often, they will tag both runners "just to be sure"!