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Rf,
It's got nothing to do with lack of hustle or showing off, what if a kid is just outright slow? A kid has a cannon and shouldn't use it?? In the end, it's recorded as an out if they get them.

If you are going to make a mistake, make it being aggressive....
 
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I have seen it done before but the situation has to be almost perfect to pull it off. I had a left fielder who was playing shallow left who took a line shot one hopper and threw the girl out at first. Granted, the batter was doing a slo mo to first, but the left fielder saw this and took advantage of her mental lapse.

Lasy year, my 12U CF threw the runner out at first twice - in the same game. Both were line shot one hoppers. The baserunners were running to first, not jogging. The CF has a cannon of an arm.
 
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for me, at the 12u level at least, I wouldn't want to add when to throw to first base from left field and when not to throw it to my left fielders mental responsibilties. Or centerfielder either. It surely wouldn't be when there is another runner moving from 2nd to 3rd as the original post stated.

Being aggressive is great. Most aren't aggressive enough. However there is a limit to how aggressive you want them to be. Being overly aggressive will eventually lead to mistakes. Some caused by when the other team realizes you're being overly aggressive and they'll bait you into making those mistakes. Just don't see the sense in making a play from mid depth left field to first base on the batter, especially with runners on. If its a close game you're taking a big chance if it doesn;t go well. If you're winning in a blowout and there is no harm by giving up that run if something goes wrong with the throw from left to first, then why embarrass the slow runner. To show off Mary's cannon in left? If so, Mary's not really showing off her arm. Instead she is highlighting that something is wrong with the runner. Because there is not a player out there that can throw out a normal, uninjured, player at first base from normal mid depth left field. Center also. If you're losing in a blowout, just go by the book and make the traditional fundamental plays. Don't look to make things worse by trying to make a play that shouldn't be attempted in the first place. This may work in the younger years, but as they get older, the chance of throwing a girl out at first from left or center field on a routine single goes down to none. Barring her falling down on the way to first or something like that.

Though I will agree, that if it happened to one of our runners, I'b be wondering how it did and what is wrong with our runner.
 
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Hilliarddad3
Original post had runners on 2nd and 3rd. I'd only want my leftfielder doing that with bases empty. With no one on I agree give it shot. I still haven't seen it done by leftfielder, centerfielder yes.But with runners on I want my left and center hitting cutoff to home
 
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OK Rf, here's one for you... Bases loaded less than two outs, can't let the run score because the game is going to be a low scoring event if any score at all, ball goes through to left, our left fielder throws out the 3rd base runner out at home on a force.

This was against the Netherlands women's team this past January, in which that play helped us tie them 0-0. Yes the throw normally should go elsewhere, but that run could not score and didn't even though not the last inning. Needless to say their coach wasn't happy, but they ended up winning the whole Tournament later on, but not that game.

Sometimes what you should do isn't necessarily what choice you do take and sometimes it works and sometimes it don't......

it all depends on how the outfielder is moving on the ball, the location of where they are with regards to their momentum when they receive it and if they hesitate or not.... If you take time to think, you're done. Think before the pitch and visualize every possibility that could happen in the time between pitches.

It's not a matter of showing people up, it's a matter of executing. ?Do we not bunt if the pitcher can't field??

I am talking HS age ladies as well not young kids..
 
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In the situations I described there was no one on base when the throw was made to 1st.

As far as being aggressive... I encourage it. Young ladies should be developing on the field "instinct" and recognize what plays are possible and go for it. If they are being overly aggressive - I will talk with them in a way to develop a better understanding on what to do in those situations. For example, younger players have a tendency to rush a throw when no out is possible and, more often than not, it results in a throwing error. (ie.. throwing to first after an error where the runner easily had the base) or throwing home in attempt to stop a run from scoring when there was no way the throw was going to be on time. They need to be taught restaint in those situations.

My idea of aggressiveness is, for example, there is a runner on first and the batter lays down a sac bunt. The fielder charges the ball and throws out the runner at first. First then immediately relays it to 2nd in case the runner "rounds the bag".

My idea of aggressiveness is, in another example, doing a delayed steal when the runner recognizes that the catcher and/or pitcher become careless - or taking 3rd on a sac bunt when the runner realizes no one is covering.

It also included the OF (all) throwing to first when the play is possible AND there are no other baserunners. The one exception may be a runner at 3rd and the ball is hit to RF.

Aggressiveness is a trait for some and needs to be taught to others.
 
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Hilliard
I'll give you there are circumstances when you do stuff like your discribing. I'm talking about teaching 12u or 14u the right fundamentals. I'd sure like to have ateam USA type player on my 12u team. I teach aggresiveness like described by johnnies.
 
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The issue is not whether the CF might have had a shot at the hitter headed to first. The issue is that if the CF throws to first, then the runner from second would likely score when she would not have scored otherwise. With less than two outs in the inning, this knucklehead coach, even if the CF happened to gun down the hitter, is still giving up a run that might never have scored. In baseball, softball, any ball, the proper throw in that spot is either home (keeping it low for the cutoff possibility) if the runner from second is being sent; or to second base, to hold the runner at third and the hitter at first. Having the CF throw to first in that spot is nothing but a low-percentage stunt and it serves no purpose for girls moving ahead to higher levels where it will NEVER be done.

Yelling at the girl is embarrassing to HIM, not to her. That's just another in a multitude of examples of coaches who are clueless trying to re-invent the game.
 
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If the coach had a lead why not try it. DD has thrown out runners at first from center. If its done quickly the first base player may still have a play at the plate. It depends on the entire situation and as has been stated we don't have all the info.
 
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chicoflip said:
If the coach had a lead why not try it. DD has thrown out runners at first from center. If its done quickly the first base player may still have a play at the plate. It depends on the entire situation and as has been stated we don't have all the info.

Chico.. I respect you and your opinions but there are just too many "ifs" in that scenerio. ?Gunning for the runner at 1st with a runner on base is to the advantage of the other team. ?Everything would have to be perfect in order to end like you describe. ?Few things are perfect in softball. ?An errant throw pulling 1st off of the bag would dig the hole deeper.

When there is a base hit in that situation, try to minimize the damage and work on the next batter. ?If there were NO runners on base - go for it only if it is a possible out. ?As I said earlier, a quick ball to the RF has more of a chance of being successful and I would not fault my player going to first if it was a likely out. ?The worse case scenerio is 2 runners on and the same number of "outs".(which it would be if the RF just hit the cutoff). The best case would be one more our and only one base runner.

I agree that yelling at the girl in the described scenerio would make the coach appear to be... what was the word? "clueless"?

Oh, Truth... have you ever coached a younger team?
 
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Right back at you Johnnies. I agree it would have to be flawless and I would not want to see a player try it without a descent lead. It would be exciting though. ;)
 
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Truth I beleave you hit this outta the park you just expressed my thoughts completely. Besides Hilliard dads outfielders not many mortals make the play and why would a left fielder with a cannon not take that easy out at home??
 
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Just watched a college game with runner on 2nd and one out. DP batter pounds a grounder to CF, CF on run fields and throws ball to 1B for force out beating runner by two full steps. Runner is held at third. Next batter hits a deep fly to right to end the inning. If CF had not made play at first, and had tried to throw runner advancing to 3B and was unsuccessful, then runners would have been on 1st and 3rd w/one out and run would have scored on the deep fly to right.

But I would never attempt the play described with less than 2 outs with a runners on 3B and 2B unless I had a big lead and wanted to get an out.
 
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Probably wanted a out at first and at home when the 3b. coach sent the runner home seeing the laser throw to first..
 
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