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Probably wont have that much effect. Teams that get their bid the year prior wont enter at all and I can see a rule coming down the pike that says no ASA/USA qualifiers one week before States

I disagree. What about teams that have USA qualifieres the week after States (Strongsville). They have the possibility of losing 4 more teams in each age group. How would you like to schedule that? Or be a team in it that qualifies at States and can't find another tournament on such short notice? It's a bad ruling (horrible this late in the season) and it's even more insulting that our commissioner can't even explain his position.

 

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@crystlemc:

If the ASA Ohio Commissioner is overseeing a USA/ASA tournament that is being sponsored by the Ohio ASA Association, the ASA Ohio rules (which are at this point apparently unwritten), apply. If the ASA Ohio Commissioner were to be overseeing a USA/ASA qualifier that is being sponsored by the National ASA (such as Region 9 qualifiers), he would have to honor the ASA Code provision stating that existing berth holders may play in those Regional qualifiers without forfeiting their berths.

Strongsville is not awarding a berth to USA/ASA on behalf of the Region 9 berths but rather on behalf of the berths that are allocated to the Ohio ASA, so I believe that existing berth holders will not be allowed to enter the Strongsville tournament unless they are willing to forfeit their existing berths.

 

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So ASA National sponsored tourneys allow everyone, while Ohio ASA excludes those who hold a berth, unless they give up said berth? Wow. There is something to be said for consistency within an organization.

 

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Yes, if you want to blow a couple of hours, you can read the ASA 16u States thread, which somewhere close to the middle lays out all the arguments pro and con on whether Ohio ASA should be excluding existing berth holders when the ASA Nat'l Code provides that for "National Qualifiers" (an undefined term that is read by some to mean the Regional or Territorial qualifiers and not qualifiers awarding the berths reserved to local associations such as the Ohio ASA) existing berth holders may play without forfeiting their berths.

 

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Here's the thing to do folks. It's very simple..

As we all know, 16u states provide college coaches. Agreed?

So why not hold a SEPARATE event for the berth holders at the same place as 16u states? That way ALL the girls get seen. Just hold a plain ole ASA event.. No qualifier.. no nothing but a simple ASA event.

That way the "berth holders" have a chance to be seen by college coaches.. and never know.. maybe some of the teams that DON'T want a "berth" in the first place will slide over to the "berth holders event" and leave the 16u ASA states to the teams that want them.

But, most of all, all the 16u teams are still in one location for the college coaches to be seen.

It isn't rocket science people.

 

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Instead of hosting an ASA event, why not hold a USSSA or NSA event at the same place or close thereto for the "hosed" teams? Competiton is the best way to bust a monopoly....Back in the old days when I played Mens Slowpitch(no snickering, it paid the bills!), after "feeling the love" from the ASA crowd, we started playing USSSA, and never looked back....

 

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Because USSSA and NSA are not gonna draw the better teams. If you look at the USSSA

and NSA tournaments this year you don't see the elite teams attending for the most part. ( Not trying to hurt any one's feelings just a fact. )

 

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No offense taken, just thought if ASA wants to hose these teams, maybe the teams can repay the favor with a little help from a competing organization. If these college coaches realize maybe all the best players or alot of them are across town, see you later!

 

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@LCTigerdad:

I much prefer the version where the TD for ASA States schedules a round robin at or very near the ASA States tournament for those existing berth holders who do not forfeit their berths to play the States. This doesn't have to be an antagonistic competition with other sanctioning bodies. I believe that if you were to have a tournament or round robin sanctioned by someone else and held "across town" the players on the existing berth holder teams would still be the ones who suffered. Many of the players on the teams that can't play States this weekend have verballed to college programs. The remaining players are, in my humble opinion, possibly better than most (but definitely not all) of the top players at 16u States but not so much better that college coaches are going to skip the huge field at 16u States to go across town.

 

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No offense taken, just thought if ASA wants to hose these teams, maybe the teams can repay the favor with a little help from a competing organization. If these college coaches realize maybe all the best players or alot of them are across town, see you later!

That as my feelings as well..... but personally I don't think anyone would care about which sanction it is.

Just play close enough to the 16u States.. where college coaches can go to watch the girls at BOTH events.

Softball is softball... no matter the sanction.

But, I sure hate to see ASA hosing these teams at the last minute.

I just hope for 2012.. the TD's who have the ASA state events.. will do the right thing and make a separate tournament for the "berth holders". Obviously, a TD would have to leave it open to the Sunday night before the 16u States.

 

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Carol, it could be ANY sanction.... doesn't have to be ASA to have that round robin event. If college coaches wants to see players at the "berth holders" event... they will come watch... even if it isn't an ASA event.

I just thought pesonally.. if you are a TD for the 16u event... why not be responsible enough to include the "berth holders" event for the girls who want to be seen as well.

Now, Warren might kick and bite about that "other event" being played at the same time as the State event... and would expect MORE concentration on the 16u States if rain came in IF ran by an ASA TD. Just saying.. he has a track record for complaining about two events going on at the same time in the same location.

So being a DIFFERENT sanction might be the trick actually. ( putting this on my list of things to ponder for 2012...LOL)

But, I think a six game round robin ( 3 on Friday and 3 on Saturday) would be nice. We know the majority of the coaches are leaving out on Sunday morning to go home anyway.

 

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Yes, Carol I echo Quakerman---to be told "You're out" a week or two before...This hits very personally, because years ago, we got booted out of a tournament we had paid for and had checked in to our hotels for because we already had a paid National berth, and this tournament was being ran "...for local teams to get a chance to go....." This is why we quit playing ASA....No refunds for hotels, gas, etc., and we did not play that weekend. That is bad enough for a bunch of grown men, but to pull this kind of chicken.... on a bunch of kids.....

 

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I just hope in 2012.. it gets worked out by the 16u ASA State TD... so all the girls can be seen by college coaches.. whether you are lucky enough to have a "berth" already or not.