To me that is the best way to handle the situation have a team vote and be upfront with the parents about it. Don't let everyone show up on Friday to a tournament and there's a new girl standing there. That happened on our team several times and we had 1 or 2 girls on the bench. But on the flip side you can't be upset at the sub. If a coach asked my dd to sub then we are expecting to play not sit when we get there. A GOOD coach would say listen up we need a sub we have 9 girls and you may not play unless someone should need a break or if an injury occurs. Our coach brought in an older girl and said it was for her "bat". She went 0-3. Why not let the kid sitting hit if that's the so called "bat" you are looking for.
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Pacerdad57
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My bad ech92, misread the lines about that.
I have seen this year kids that do become non-committal to the team due to basically being abandoned by the head coach and replaced by subs even tho we had 11 to 12 regulars at the game.....
I just hate to see a girl's love for the game crushed by something like "for the sake of the tea mm chemistry" even tough they continue to lose game after game with their subs......
I have seen this year kids that do become non-committal to the team due to basically being abandoned by the head coach and replaced by subs even tho we had 11 to 12 regulars at the game.....
I just hate to see a girl's love for the game crushed by something like "for the sake of the tea mm chemistry" even tough they continue to lose game after game with their subs......
IMO if you carry 11 or 12 you have to play them in rotation or why did you pick those girls up in the first place. That is why we have tryouts...... correct so every girl has a position and spot to play onthe team? As long as you are up front wit the parents then it should never be an issue. I dont agree with picking girls up and sitting those same girls over and over. Their confidence will be shot and they will feel left out as a team mate. Again why would you pick a girl up just to sit. Carry 9 and and pick up a sub. I mean there is always a player on here willing to sub every weekend.
I agree with Thompson's comments also when picking up a sub.
I agree with Thompson's comments also when picking up a sub.
FastBat
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IMHO the best coaches are the ones that start with 11 or 12 players and at the last game of the season have the same 11 or 12 players. That has to be the biggest sign of a great coach. The #1 team killer is the coach that is always looking to get the next latest and greatest, this team can't live without this player, player. News flash those players don't exist! As tryouts approach, choose your next team wisely, and avoid teams/coaches that promise playing time (join my team and you will play every game at first base) or they tell you they have a "core group of starters" they want to add to (means your player will be a bench warmer regardless of talent).
Pacerdad57
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Happened again last night. The clique plays all innings, subs came in to pitch entire game and play outfield, 2 girls that are regulars are left to sit the bench while the starting 1b commits 3 errors and is cheered by coaches.
pretty much the way things have gone most of the season, we gotta have this sub or that sub.
they ended up barely winning against a team they should have been crushing.
this is their first win in quite a while with their fantastic subs.
pretty much the way things have gone most of the season, we gotta have this sub or that sub.
they ended up barely winning against a team they should have been crushing.
this is their first win in quite a while with their fantastic subs.
wow
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I can see it both ways.. The best solution is to always poll the parents and make sure everyone is on the same page. Nobody wants a surprise come game time.
Pacerdad57
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Sorry, I just can't see it both ways. If you have the girls there to.play that have been with you all season, that you as a coach have chosen and whose parents have paid a fee to join, they should be starting over subs.
Subs are for when you haven't enough bodies to field a team, or to come in in the later innings to rest your regulars.for remaining games.
all you are teaching kids this way is that you don't ever have to commit to anything, just go out and find something new and shiny.
these girls.are not showing non-committal play, they are always hustling in warm ups and practices and are good players. They are just tossed.aside while this coach, in his own words, is looking for the right "chemistry".
how about developing the team you have chosen into a team and not fragmenting it from the start?
Subs are for when you haven't enough bodies to field a team, or to come in in the later innings to rest your regulars.for remaining games.
all you are teaching kids this way is that you don't ever have to commit to anything, just go out and find something new and shiny.
these girls.are not showing non-committal play, they are always hustling in warm ups and practices and are good players. They are just tossed.aside while this coach, in his own words, is looking for the right "chemistry".
how about developing the team you have chosen into a team and not fragmenting it from the start?
FastBat
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Couldn't have said it better myself Pacerdad57.
What parent is going to be truely honest with the coach when asked this question? I have never heard a parent say to a coach, "Yes, I think adding another player to this team so my kid can sit, sounds great!"
What parent is going to be truely honest with the coach when asked this question? I have never heard a parent say to a coach, "Yes, I think adding another player to this team so my kid can sit, sounds great!"
SparkyCCIII
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Been there with both of my DD's. Oldest one had a coach that replaced her, after fees were paid, of course with someone he thought was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Watched as this girl pouted on the field, cried on the field and showed other unbelievably poor sportsmanship while this coach cheered her on and DD sat. DD never once complained - as her dad & I would never allow that. Younger DD experienced a manager change and was pushed aside as his community rec players were given playing time ahead of her and another girl. She was utterly shocked when he sat her over a "sub" but still played her best when in and contributed to the team. Like you, PacerDad, it may have been more understandable if they were winning with these other girls, but they only got past the first game on Sunday once.
The good news is that we are older and wiser now and our kids have had to work that much harder and are, we believe, better off for having to do that. Both are quite happy where they are and accept coaching decisions that are based on performance and what is truly best for the team. As hard as it has been to watch as a parent, it has been a real joy as they have grown and learned more about the players/teammates they want to be. You will find the right fit for your daughter and family, it just takes patience, a bit of faith, and some research. I can tell you though, that there is quite a difference being home by 11:00am on Sunday and having to call a neighbor to let dogs out again because it doesn't look like you'll be getting home before dark. Best of luck!!
The good news is that we are older and wiser now and our kids have had to work that much harder and are, we believe, better off for having to do that. Both are quite happy where they are and accept coaching decisions that are based on performance and what is truly best for the team. As hard as it has been to watch as a parent, it has been a real joy as they have grown and learned more about the players/teammates they want to be. You will find the right fit for your daughter and family, it just takes patience, a bit of faith, and some research. I can tell you though, that there is quite a difference being home by 11:00am on Sunday and having to call a neighbor to let dogs out again because it doesn't look like you'll be getting home before dark. Best of luck!!
Pacerdad57
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Thanks Sparkycclll, sounds like a cover version of our story!
we're seeing interest from other orgs, so I'm sure we'll end up doing fine.
we're seeing interest from other orgs, so I'm sure we'll end up doing fine.
Balldiddly
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Interesting thread. Appreciate reading everyone's view points. Saw this happen many times this season. I think it reflects on the coach themselves and not the girls on the bench... Especially when the girls stay classy and when given the opportunity walk out on that field and own it. When adversity is overcome, growth increases exponentially...
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Pacerdad57
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I would agree, it's definitely a bad light on the coaching.
it's too bad it happens and takes playing time from the kids. How do you ever expect to develop a team to continue with if you never play the players you chose, that are all quite capable players ( and obviously much more team oriented)
it's too bad it happens and takes playing time from the kids. How do you ever expect to develop a team to continue with if you never play the players you chose, that are all quite capable players ( and obviously much more team oriented)
softball44
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To me it is about how the Coach laid out the expectations and plans for the year. Our team was thin on pitching and catching and we were clear with the parents that if we had guest players then they would be pitchers or catchers. Also clear that if they came out for the weekend they would get some playing time. Communication is the key. You may not like it, but it is better if you understand it.
Pacerdad57
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Huge difference between "some" playing time and starting and playing all innings of the tourney.
and he had 6 pitchers, of which he would only pitch 2 of them, then complain they were wearing out and bring in subs to pitch.
the whole idea was to develop the staff for next year. Now he doesn't even have a team.
you just don't sit capable players who have paid fees and use it to fund subs to play all innings.
Btw they still lost almost all of their pool and bracket games.
all it does is show everyone that the coach has no idea of how to build a team and is just grasping for straws.
last i heard he has brought in new subs and benched the subs that benched the regulars.....
real classy
and he had 6 pitchers, of which he would only pitch 2 of them, then complain they were wearing out and bring in subs to pitch.
the whole idea was to develop the staff for next year. Now he doesn't even have a team.
you just don't sit capable players who have paid fees and use it to fund subs to play all innings.
Btw they still lost almost all of their pool and bracket games.
all it does is show everyone that the coach has no idea of how to build a team and is just grasping for straws.
last i heard he has brought in new subs and benched the subs that benched the regulars.....
real classy
If one persons says no they are not okay with it then what? Her coach sent a text asking. I was honest and told him I had an issue with it because we had enough girls, our entire team would be there and adding in a sub would take playing time away from the girls who have invested time and worked hard to play, not to mention the money that I put forth for her to play for that time. We only had 2 games sceduled for the entire day so the idea of the girls getting worn out wasnt a valid excuse. He said "Thank you for your honesty" and brought the sub anyways. I was ticked about it but he said he was going to use her as a sub nothing else. 1st inning rolls around, my daughter is on the bench and the "sub" is in the field. Realistically most people would just say its okay and talk crap behind the coaches back about what he did. Most people do not want to cause a problem with the coach because it could affect their child's playing time. People try to play the politics. Not to mention the fsct that the "core starters" are definitely going to say that it is fine because their childs time isn't affected. There is a difference between "putting" a child out in right field and teaching her to play the position, and throwing her out there to be a body so your core group of girls get a chance to play. Her coach threw her out there and forgot about her; Didn't instruct her at all. I knew when he asked to bring the extra player that he was essentially asking to replace her. I spoke up. She paid and worked very hard. She practices, I kid you not, EVERYDAY. Even if it rains she is practicing with her sister and pitching against a wall and doing warm up flips. She didn't deserve to be disrespected like that. Especially if you expect your team to respect you as a coach. There is no essence of "team" if players are getting replaced like that. Why get close to, and form a bond with a teammate that might not be there for the next game? Just like coaches need to know the strengths and weaknesses of their players, the players need to learn the strengths and weaknesses of their teammates. If you know a player struggles to catch a ball in the air above her head but can stretch with ease for one in the dirt, you will do your best to keep your throw on the lower side. The girls need to be confident that their teammates can catch their "hard" throws. Otherwise they might try to take some off so #1 they don't hurt their teammate and #2 they know their teammate will catch it. Either way, if your regulars are there, they are the ones that have invested.
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For younger ages This may be true ages 8 thru 14. Everyone here is in for a rude awakening and a shock as their dd hits the 16 on up range playing at a higher level. At 18 and second year 16 it is almost impossible to find, keep and coach/train a core of kids that can be there week in week out, make all the away tournaments, due to financial reasons, work or school reasons.
Every year I pick 12 and by the last tournament of the season I am scrounging for players. Every Coach I know at this level is in the same boat. Try and be proactive on this try out players and subs early so you are able to attend those last tournaments and you are a bad coach.
No where is it written in select ball at the upper level that equal playing time will be allotted to players. Your skill, attitude and ability comes into play. If you are a guaranteed out at the plate cannot catch a ball
or spectate instead of moving and covering your position on a play, after constant practice and training then one of two things have happened either your coach dosent know squat if the rest of the team is struggling then its on your coach. If you are being left behind its on the player in question.
The coach has the right and the responsibility to ensure that the team has what it needs to survive and be successful as possible. At this level it is a contractual agreement between player and coach ( Notice I did not mention mom and dad ) That say I will give you all the teaching, training and motivation I can possibly give, when it comes game time if you do not preform its on you and I reserve the right to replace you If I can see no other option. If this seems to harsh a wording for some then I recommend you seriously considering a leggo league scholarship for your dd, Because I am a push over compared to what a college softball coach is going to be.
Every year I pick 12 and by the last tournament of the season I am scrounging for players. Every Coach I know at this level is in the same boat. Try and be proactive on this try out players and subs early so you are able to attend those last tournaments and you are a bad coach.
No where is it written in select ball at the upper level that equal playing time will be allotted to players. Your skill, attitude and ability comes into play. If you are a guaranteed out at the plate cannot catch a ball
or spectate instead of moving and covering your position on a play, after constant practice and training then one of two things have happened either your coach dosent know squat if the rest of the team is struggling then its on your coach. If you are being left behind its on the player in question.
The coach has the right and the responsibility to ensure that the team has what it needs to survive and be successful as possible. At this level it is a contractual agreement between player and coach ( Notice I did not mention mom and dad ) That say I will give you all the teaching, training and motivation I can possibly give, when it comes game time if you do not preform its on you and I reserve the right to replace you If I can see no other option. If this seems to harsh a wording for some then I recommend you seriously considering a leggo league scholarship for your dd, Because I am a push over compared to what a college softball coach is going to be.
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