School Stats

default · Feb 4, 2008

Does anyone know if there are any OHSAA rules or guidelines on keeping player stats for softball? I inquired to our high school's athletic director about DD's stats from previous seasons and was told they don't keep them and that it was up to the coach to provide them. Now it would seem to me that these records are school property and why would the AD tell a coach to keep them? We've been through several coaches in several years and does this mean when a coach quits our records are lost if that coach chose not to hold on to them? It seems to me that there's no excuse that these wern't kept on a computer by the athletic department at the school. Wonder what they do for stat records in the other sports?

default · Feb 4, 2008

I have kept records of the stats for my HS softball team over the past 4 years, but there is nothing that I'm aware of before that. I would guess that you would be hard pressed to find any school that keeps all the stats for every athletic team. I had to refer back to yearbooks and past players to even find out previous coaches names and their records. I still don't have all the win/loss records of previous teams, let alone stats.

default · Feb 4, 2008

Unless you want to know football stats, those are ALWAYS kept on hand!!! Weird, huh! ;D

default · Feb 4, 2008

Yeah, one would think that in the computer age and the fact that our AD has a SECRETARY that it would be too hard to record anything.

default · Feb 4, 2008

What if the stats are not correct? Would you prefer that your school not keep stats or have stats that are not right? Often parents, players or others who have no experience keep the stats. I have heard countless stories of players whose stats were "victimized" by a parent of a player who wanted their position.

default · Feb 5, 2008

luvthegame said:
What if the stats are not correct? Would you prefer that your school not keep stats or have stats that are not right? Often parents, players or others who have no experience keep the stats. I have heard countless stories of players whose stats were "victimized" by a parent of a player who wanted their position.

I have to agree with this. It really puts you between that rock and a hard place. If a college coach inquires about her school stats as well as her travel ones and if you have been butchered by an inept scorekeeper you can't really lie and say what you think they should be. How often does a college coach hear that story about they arn't right and do they believe it?

default · Feb 5, 2008

I honestly wouldnt worry too much about school stats, as i've been told by quite a few college coaches in the past year (DD's now a freshman ) that they arent really looked at anyway. The reason being you play one game against a good team, the next against a slow pitch team. The stats are too skewed to be taken seriously. The more important numbers regarding school is their test scores.

default · Feb 5, 2008

I've been told the same thing that Hitter23 has been told.

Besides, who is keeping the book? Do they know how to score a hit or an error and do it fairly?

default · Feb 5, 2008

most statpeople are parent volunteers....like me, yes, but I don't know too many that chart pitches, do fielding percentages, hitting for situations, etc...this takes some time people! but hitter23 has a point...the stats are only as good as the schedule...a girl who hits over 400, maybe even 500 in junior high probably happens with frequency, especially with the lack of pitching on most teams....(and the ooposite happens, girls that are used to the speed of the travel game, end up winding up on lobby balls and trying for the homerun every at-bat)....a girl hits 400+ on a deep, athletic, ringer-endorsed travel team, well, that's another matter entirely

default · Feb 5, 2008

I can't say I've seen any replies that I disagree with but arn't these same so called stats the ones that help determine conference honors or is that all done by back room wheeling and dealing among the coaches? :-?

default · Feb 5, 2008

It is true that it appears many teams have anyone keep the stats and just go by whatever they write in the book. But often you could have the President of Glover's keeping the stats and some parents will swear their daughters are hitting 200 points higher than the stats indicate. The first time I hear a parent say they think their daughter is hitting less than the book shows, I'll faint.

Our AD doesn't ask for stats. I did take some time to figure out our season and career records last year and passed those along to the athletic office. I had to go back to search for the win-loss records of our teams from 2000 and before. The yearbooks were the only source pre-1995. And seeing as how our yearbook celebrated our district and league titles in 2007 by listing all of the girls soccer scores on our page instead of softball, who knows about the accuracy of that. Someone 50 years from now will look back at our 2007 yearbook and think we were the best pitching and worst hitting team in history.

default · Feb 5, 2008

Here is the OHSAA "unofficial" record book.....obviously these "records" could be very inacurate.....how many factors can be named that would add to the inacuracy?.....I'll throw out a few.....scorekeepers "opinion", strength of schedule, strength of conference, schools or coaches who didn't EVEN keep/save stats, "victimizing" parents, stat "padding" parents, technology, etc.....there must be hundreds more!

College coaches put very little importance on HS stats due to the above. IMO

I'm in no way trying to take anything away from these accomplishments, but I'm also quite sure there are players that are on the list, that shouldn't be..... and there are players that are not on the list, that should be.....hence the word "unofficial"!

Some awesome Ohio softball players on the list.....and some of the very best may never be recgonized!..... Interesting site though! lol

http://ohsaa.org/sports/records/sbrecrd.htm

P.S......I think that the score keeper (non-coach) should be in the dugout and any questionable call should be "voted on" by the coaching staff.....majority prevails.....(you ARE only allowed 3 coaches in the HS dugout, right?) lol

default · Feb 5, 2008

Keeping the book is an often overlooked part of the game. Many people who volunteer to do it don't understand how to score the game. Many times they just keep track of outs and runs. If you try to explain 6-3 is a groundout to short, you get a blank look. You appreciate the fact that the person is trying to help, but to expect accurate stats, you better do them yourself.

default · Feb 5, 2008

Hitter 23 is correct, because in High School, padding of stats has been a problem for a long time. Look who is keeping the books the next time you are at a game. A player or a parent, who not always knows how to keep the books.

default · Feb 5, 2008

I had the exact opposite of statpadder (statman's half brother). My scorekeeper kept a legit book, maybe even too legit for 10U. If it was an error it was an error. He kept hit location, sacs, "true" stolen bases, etc. - everything. The girls hated it. My DD bunted a ball that was overthrown first, then overthrown 3rd for a 4 base error. When this was pointed out to her, she said, "I don't care what's in that stupid book, I'm telling everybody I got a homerun!"

default · Feb 5, 2008

Siderhawk, that was interesting, what i cant believe, that with todays bat,s that homerun record still stands

default · Feb 5, 2008

hehe, if my name ever gets hacked and starts spouting ads for something unmentionable, I can rely on statpadder as my alias! hehe ;D

but, generally, a travel player with any kind of talent should be batting in the high 4's or low 5's in junior high...not sure about high school, I'll let you know in a few years

default · Feb 5, 2008

My two pet peeve stats of mine are stolen bases and home runs. Moving ahead to a base on a pass ball or taking 2nd base with a runner on 3rd and no attempt is made is not a stolen base. I also hate to see a players with a good number of home runs and their home field has no fence or the fence is set at 350 feet. A good line drive in the gap becomes a homerun. All high schools should have a fence set at 200 to 225 feet.

default · Feb 5, 2008

i find that the steal home designation, like a passed ball or advancing on a wild pitch are some that generally get muddied in that grey area....taking a total base stat might alleviate the difference between those stolen bases and passed balls since a total of all bases would give some indication as to output of all hits/walks/etc...my own DD advanced home on a throw attempt by a catcher throwing to second while she was at third...that's more like a fielder's choice to me (and why do catcher's still do this!!!) anyway it's not easy padding--er, keeping stats (that one was for you, ringer!

) as there are always judgements to be made of coaches DD's, your friends' DD's and even your own....it's always easy to give the OTHER team's girls an error, not so much on your own

default · Feb 5, 2008

Maybe teams should rip out the score sheets and swap them with the other team at the end of each game? Ah....scratch that, I don't want my DD's avg. to go from .645 down to .243

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