Out by contact???

default · Sep 1, 2008

Had an umpire call an out by contact? Never heard of this before.
Had runner on second running to third on a hit, not a force. throw comes in 3rd baseman dropped the ball. ref calls safe. I said she dropped the ball he said out by contact. We were ahead so I didn't want to argue. after the inning I asked him to explain what an out by contact was. He said the girl slid in to 3rd base and forced the ball to be dropped. The ball was dropped before the slide hit but even if it wasn't that is still not an out or have I missed this rule???

default · Sep 1, 2008

the call is safe.must have control of ball

default · Sep 1, 2008

Yeah.....your girl should have been called safe. The only way she is out is if the 3B makes the tag on your player before she reaches base, then drops the ball on the transfer to her throwing hand to try to make another play.

Len

default · Sep 1, 2008

Was there any chance the the runner contacted the fielder before sliding, causing the ball to be dropped. In this case, I would have called the runner out as well. A runner is at liability of being called out, if they do not slide and contact the fielder while a play is being made on them.

default · Sep 1, 2008

LADY_KNIGHTS said:
Was there any chance the the runner contacted the fielder before sliding, causing the ball to be dropped. In this case, I would have called the runner out as well. A runner is at liability of being called out, if they do not slide and contact the fielder while a play is being made on them.

Runner is never required to SLIDE! The runner must avoid a fielder who has the ball when waiting to make a play. She does not have to slide. She may slide into the fielder, attempt to run around the fielder (and possibly be called out for runner out of the 3? baseline), she may run back to the last legally held base, in ASA she may attempt to jump over the fielder, or she can simply give up. If in the umpires judgement the ball the fielder and the runner all converge on the same place at the same time?it is simply a wreck?neither interference nor obstruction. See ASA POE #13 Note: Any league that institutes a MUST slide rule is looking for problems??.a good Lawyer will turn your league into hamburger meat for creating a rule such as this.

default · Sep 4, 2008

What my guess is that the ump felt that the baserunner intentionally tried to knock the ball loose?!

default · Sep 4, 2008

FastpitchBlue said:
Runner is never required to SLIDE! The runner must avoid a fielder who has the ball when waiting to make a play. She does not have to slide. She may slide into the fielder, attempt to run around the fielder (and possibly be called out for runner out of the 3? baseline), she may run back to the last legally held base, in ASA she may attempt to jump over the fielder, or she can simply give up. If in the umpires judgement the ball the fielder and the runner all converge on the same place at the same time?it is simply a wreck?neither interference nor obstruction. See ASA POE #13 Note: Any league that institutes a MUST slide rule is looking for problems??.a good Lawyer will turn your league into hamburger meat for creating a rule such as this.

I don't believe I said the runner had to slide. I simply stated what the rules implies..

ASA Rule 8 Section 7 (Q)
When a defensive player has the ball and the runner remains upright and crashes into the defensive player.
EFFECT: The ball is dead. The runner is out. All runners must return to the last base touched. If the act is determined to be flagrant, the offensive player shall be ejected.

default · Sep 5, 2008

You don't need a "must slide" rule. All you need is a baserunner taking a throw in the chest or an elbow in the neck to emphasize the importance of sliding. Get down or get hurt. That's the rule.

default · Sep 6, 2008

"Out by contact" is not a term or rule found in any rule book I'm familiar with. Sounds like an umpire mixing in some football terminology with his softball rules- "Down by contact"!

Did he throw a flag?

A runner executing a legal slide should never be called out for interference. Unless the runner went out of her way (slid away from the base and into the fielder) to make contact, intentionally contacted the thrown ball by purposely knocking it down before the fielder could catch it or reached up and swatted it out of the fielder's glove I would have a hard time calling this play as anything other than "safe".

Out by contact???

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