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I mean we would be happy to help out here and there. We just don't know how it actually works. What do you have to do?
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Moved from Coaches Needing Temporary Players.
A temporary player is one picked up to fill an immediate, but not long term, shortage on a team. As an example, Bugtussle 6U team is in a tournament on May 2-3, but only has 8 players available due to a birthday party at RollerCoaster Heaven - every other weekend they have a full roster. They could then make a post for those dates stating that they need a guest or temporary player for that weekend.
A temporary player is one picked up to fill an immediate, but not long term, shortage on a team. As an example, Bugtussle 6U team is in a tournament on May 2-3, but only has 8 players available due to a birthday party at RollerCoaster Heaven - every other weekend they have a full roster. They could then make a post for those dates stating that they need a guest or temporary player for that weekend.
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yeah, it's not a you have 9 or 10 players, pick up one and the temp player bounces a "team member" for the weekend to the bench... platoon them as needed to get rests in and to fill as theBear said.
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What is a temporary player?
I haven't been around enough to know what it means. Do the players have to pay to play? Do they go to any practices with the team before the tourney? I just don't know.
I haven't been around enough to know what it means. Do the players have to pay to play? Do they go to any practices with the team before the tourney? I just don't know.
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Re: What is a temporary player?
I would like to no this one to.my 2 dd's were asked to play for a team this coming weekend.and the coach called me and said i would have to pay for them to play.
i said to him wait a minute,you asked my dd's to play with you cuz you needed a few plays so why would i pay for them to play when i have already paid for them to play on one travel team.he said this is how they do it.i just said to him sorry my dd's wont be playing.so no i dont think a temporary player should have to pay.
I would like to no this one to.my 2 dd's were asked to play for a team this coming weekend.and the coach called me and said i would have to pay for them to play.
i said to him wait a minute,you asked my dd's to play with you cuz you needed a few plays so why would i pay for them to play when i have already paid for them to play on one travel team.he said this is how they do it.i just said to him sorry my dd's wont be playing.so no i dont think a temporary player should have to pay.
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Re: What is a temporary player?
Temporary players are players that are ask to fill-in for a game or two or for an entire tournament. In my opinion, they should not be ask to pay any registration fees. If they are ask to pay, then that is a red flag that this team is still looking to add players.
Most all sanctions (ASA, NSA, USSSA, IFA, Pony) require that a player be on the official roster. You must be very careful here. If your DD is already rostered on a team, then they usually have to get a release to play on another team in the same sanction. Each sanction is different. There might be a limit on how many releases a player can get in one year.
Temporary players are players that are ask to fill-in for a game or two or for an entire tournament. In my opinion, they should not be ask to pay any registration fees. If they are ask to pay, then that is a red flag that this team is still looking to add players.
Most all sanctions (ASA, NSA, USSSA, IFA, Pony) require that a player be on the official roster. You must be very careful here. If your DD is already rostered on a team, then they usually have to get a release to play on another team in the same sanction. Each sanction is different. There might be a limit on how many releases a player can get in one year.
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Thank you. I feel safer with knowledge. I don't want to get my DD stuck in something like paying for her to ride the bench just to fill out a roster. Experience is more important to her than being able to say she was on a travel team.
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My DD has always been picked up to play in tournaments.I just make it a point to tell them upfront my DD is there to help them out not to take anyones position.I do not want my DD to play infront of any of his regular players.We are pick ups, not ringers.Ringers break up the moral fibre of a team.People who pick up ringers are in it for the win,trophy hunters ,she plays for the love of the game when not playing for her team.she likes to play for people who have the same passion for the game.
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NSA Rosters are the stupidest (It might not be a word but it fits perfect here) I needed a player to fill in for and indoor tournament that was sanctioned NSA. (January). So Naturally I grabbed a player from our other 16u Classics team. She had to have a signed release form from the coach and parent and player. I am the Manager of both teams so I had to sign a sheet to release her and to get her... One more thing. She can no longer plaY NSA for her original team. So that made it easy for us to decide where BOTH teams will NOT be playing this summer
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As long as it was done properly she can do this up to 2 times in one year.
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How does it work in PONY? Do you need a sign-off from the other team's coach? Or can you do this once without that?
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Warning to ASA temporary players
Correct me if iim wrong
If your DD becomes a temporary player on a team that plays in a ASA qualifier
And that team wins a ASA berth
That roster becomes frozen
Your DD can be dropped from that teams roster after qualifing
But she cannot appear again on any team at a ASA qualifier
We almost learned this the hard way
HELP EVERY GIRL YOU CAN PLAY MORE AND BETTER BALL
Correct me if iim wrong
If your DD becomes a temporary player on a team that plays in a ASA qualifier
And that team wins a ASA berth
That roster becomes frozen
Your DD can be dropped from that teams roster after qualifing
But she cannot appear again on any team at a ASA qualifier
We almost learned this the hard way
HELP EVERY GIRL YOU CAN PLAY MORE AND BETTER BALL
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The rules are complex and do need careful analysis. We never invite a guest player to participate in a qualifying event without thinking about these issues.
I do want to address the question of whether the guest player will pay. I think it is a question of whether the team players are also paying separately from the annual team fees and/or whether the guest player is being offered a special opportunity. For instance, we played last fall in a league, but some of our players were unavailable on various dates because of conflicting sports. So we picked up a guest for the league and we split the fall league costs among all the players, including the guest. Similarly, with our combo team this spring everyone paid, including our the guest players who were available to play that weekend and who are always hungry for competition. Well, actually, because they are such great competitors, I'm not sure we ever told them there was a fee, they just ponied up for the opportunity to have some umpired competition in a time where travel teams are disrupted by the fact that some players are unavailable under OSHAA regs. I know when our DD had an opportunity for a good competitive game because her travel team wasn't busy at that time, we never even thought about the possibility that we wouldn't share the cost.
I do want to address the question of whether the guest player will pay. I think it is a question of whether the team players are also paying separately from the annual team fees and/or whether the guest player is being offered a special opportunity. For instance, we played last fall in a league, but some of our players were unavailable on various dates because of conflicting sports. So we picked up a guest for the league and we split the fall league costs among all the players, including the guest. Similarly, with our combo team this spring everyone paid, including our the guest players who were available to play that weekend and who are always hungry for competition. Well, actually, because they are such great competitors, I'm not sure we ever told them there was a fee, they just ponied up for the opportunity to have some umpired competition in a time where travel teams are disrupted by the fact that some players are unavailable under OSHAA regs. I know when our DD had an opportunity for a good competitive game because her travel team wasn't busy at that time, we never even thought about the possibility that we wouldn't share the cost.
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I need a sub for a PONY tournament and it is for a PONY National qualifier. I was planning to get a girl from another team. I don't think the other team is playing any PONY events so I don't think there are any issues. But I don't want to break any rules, don't want to ruffle any feathers, and especially don't want to mess anything up for the girl on her current team. Your comments are appreciated.
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We set up a Early Bird Tournament Team in a NON QUALFIER EVENT to create the Opportunity for players to see some early season game time using several Temp players to build a roster. Our regular team has several players on school teams and out of action to us at this time. Our goal was to *(help players not playing school ball to get active playing time). This was a (pay to play) and worked out well, all knew in advance the opportunity was for them to have players and a event to participate in. We made sure it was a non qualifier. (Even then you always have a parent not wanting to do their part no matter have low the cost). Teams creating a squad to play early bird events are doing this for the players more than the team and that is why coaches and parents allow Fill In Players......There is nothing wrong with Fill In players on any team that wants to see early season time on the field if it is a NON Qualfier Event. I think some parents forget the idea is to keep the kids playing ball as much as possible and off the cell phones! If you have a player wanting to play and there is no local team active until school is out why should you wait if your player is getting the opportunity to play and the costs are low? There is always someone who wants everything for nothing and does not get the idea it is about the player opportunity to participate when there was none before.
Basic Fill In players fall into 2 areas........ Tournament replacements or building a roster for a play date. There is a variance of the meanings for FILL IN. I know when I talked with parents I made it clear as well as checking with the TD that the events do not effect players as far as Qualifiers. If someone is slamming the act of Fill In players and teams trying to help kids play ( Kicking Sand ) when there is nothing for kids to participate in, I think you should ask them to stay away and let the ball players do what they are wanting to do, Tell the critics to go watch CNN they will be happier.
Basic Fill In players fall into 2 areas........ Tournament replacements or building a roster for a play date. There is a variance of the meanings for FILL IN. I know when I talked with parents I made it clear as well as checking with the TD that the events do not effect players as far as Qualifiers. If someone is slamming the act of Fill In players and teams trying to help kids play ( Kicking Sand ) when there is nothing for kids to participate in, I think you should ask them to stay away and let the ball players do what they are wanting to do, Tell the critics to go watch CNN they will be happier.
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Even if the team wins an ASA qualifier, you have to accept the berth. Went thru this with my team a few years back. We won a berth to play in Texas , turned it down. . So unless things have changed as CGS posted, answers are not always black and white. I will address the pay. We have been playing this spring a guest player and I think we should pay. As CGS posted this is an opportunity to play for some good teams. You pay to go to clinics, what could be better than playing good softball teams.
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WOW I always thought a temporary player was the one who lost interest about the third inning. :lmao:
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From an eligibility stand point, if her team isn't playing any PONY tournaments this shouldn't be a problem. The only other tricky part is to make sure her regular coach doesn't think you are trying to recruit her - I've always had pretty good luck asking the temporary player if she'd mind if I talked to her coach to make sure he/she was okay with the situation, and then following up with a call to the coach.
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Thanks Bear. I will talk to her coach. I'm just trying to give some girls some experience vs. better competition so there should not be an issue with the coach.
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One other issue to to show you how murky this can be. Say the kid is playing 16U , but still is young enough to play 14U. So she subs for 14U teams in the spring. She is playing in a different age bracket. Just one more area that you have to look at. Plus we wouldn't have to go thru this if OHSAA, would allow contact with travel teams. Let the kids play on weekends if the school is not playing!
http://downloads.asasoftball.com/about/pdf/asa_code.pdf
Read pages 47-48-49 Article 502 and 503 covers this.
http://downloads.asasoftball.com/about/pdf/asa_code.pdf
Read pages 47-48-49 Article 502 and 503 covers this.
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