Hey Blue, bunted foul

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• Oct 6, 2009

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Quick rules question.

Ball bunted foul (lefty dragging), touched by batter outside of the box in foul territory.

 

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• Oct 6, 2009

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In foul territory, sams as in the box i would think. Dead ball, foul strike called, third strike, out. What was the call?

 

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• Oct 6, 2009

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Called the batter out. He said it could still have rolled fair.
I think it was in the Vipers v. Power U14 but ut could have been Elite v. Power, at Revere.

 

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• Oct 6, 2009

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So can the line shot that the third baseman hits. If it is touches anything in foul territory, it is a foul. The batters box is concidered foul territory isnt it. It is a dead ball if it hits them in the box. Im sure one of the guys in blue will set us straight before the day is out.

We were in the 12u fields so I dont know but there were some suspect calls all weekend up there. All and all not bad, but the ever moving strike zone was hard to get used to on our fields. In four games, same plate ump and the zone was all over the place. I do have to say out girls did a great job of adjusting to it.

 

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• Oct 6, 2009

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ICE VIPER said:

Dead ball, foul strike called. third strike, out.

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If the ball would have been hit down the 3rd base line with a runner coming off third and in foul territory would he have called the runner out if the ball hit her because the ball "could have gone back into fair territory?" I would hope not. It's basically the same thing on the first base side with a batter/runner.

Viper's call is correct.

 

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• Oct 6, 2009

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Section 25 Article 1d. of the NFHS rules:

while on or over foul territory, touches the person of an umpire, a player or any object foriegn to the natural ground.

I think that makes it foul.

 

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• Oct 6, 2009

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How many strikes on the batter? was it the 3rd strike

 

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I think there was 1 or no strikes on the batter, when the blue was challenged on the call he said that the batter was out because the ball could have come back into play.

 

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• Oct 6, 2009

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Ice Viper; Guess what!
The foul line starts at the back corner of the plate and extends to the outfield foul pole in a straight line without any detours or offsets. Some of the batters box is foul and some of it is fair. The box has no influence on the foul line. Home plate is completely fair.

I once had this discussion with an NSA umpire when he called a bunt that ended its roll in the righty's batters box-foul; stopping the play; talk about screwed up, my runner might have made it to first or the catcher might have thrown her out, but everyone stopped when he made the call so we will never know. The umps got together and made a Solomon-like decision that made no one happy because do-overs aren't in the rule book and they can't reset the play.

The hitter/runner in fair territory is out if hit by the batted ball and if in foul territory; it is just a dead ball and she lives to take another swing. Makes no difference if it is a lefty slapper or a righty swinger; it only matters if the runner is fair or foul.

 

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• Oct 6, 2009

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if a bunted ball that is in foul territory hits the runner the ball is dead and a foul ball is called.The call is made where the ball is at the point of contact not where the runner is. The blue in question melded two rules together. The rule he thought he was calling right is the double hit on the bat . If a batted ball is hit by a MOVING discarded bat in foul territory and in the judgemet of the umpire it the ball could have returned fair he may call the batter out.


Fairman there is a do-over clause in the rule book. When a illegal player is on defense and is involved in a put out, if appealed before the next pitch, the coach has his option of taking the result of the play or a do-over, with the illegal player being disqualified.Also Umpires should NEVER have the end result being a do over to cover their mistake. BAD BAD BAD

 

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• Oct 7, 2009

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fairman said:

Ice Viper; Guess what!
The foul line starts at the back corner of the plate and extends to the outfield foul pole in a straight line without any detours or offsets. Some of the batters box is foul and some of it is fair. The box has no influence on the foul line. Home plate is completely fair.

The hitter/runner in fair territory is out if hit by the batted ball and if in foul territory; it is just a dead ball and she lives to take another swing. Makes no difference if it is a lefty slapper or a righty swinger; it only matters if the runner is fair or foul.

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If a batted ball makes contact with the batter grounded in the batter's box, regardless of whether the ball is in fair or foul territory, the play is dead, it is a foul ball, and if the batted ball was a bunt attempt with 2 strikes on the batter, the batter is out.

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• Oct 7, 2009

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Anytime a batter contacts her own batted ball over foul territory, it is a foul ball.

The explanation the umpire gave does have a small kernel of truth to it, or at least some plausible reason why the whole "it had a chance to become fair" argument was in his mind in the first place.

There is a baseball rule that states a batter can be called out for intentionally contacting a batted ball over foul ground if the umpire judges that the batted ball still had some reasonable chance of becoming fair.

Picture a slow roller up the first base line, in foul ground but not yet fair or foul, with the catcher about to pounce on it. A batter can't intentionally contact that ball to stop it from going fair and prevent the defense from making a put out. That would be interference.

For whatever reason, this is one rule that never made it into the softball rule books (at least, not for ASA or high school -it wouldn't surprise me if some softball sanctioning body has a similar version of this rule).

In any event, even if this was a baseball game, the umpire would have to rule the batter's contact as intentional to call the out. And, since it wasn't a baseball game, it's just a plain old fashioned foul ball anyway!

 

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• Oct 8, 2009

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The Umps did a great job throughout the tourny, we were scratching our heads with the call and he was being challenged by the coaches and went into "bunker" mode. It didn't have an impact on the final score.