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punchout, that is really good. Thanks for that.
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A key missing point is foot wear! My orthopedics doctor took what looked like a quality gym shoe and folded it in half by bending the toe and heel upward. He took a Reebok and New Balance and could not do it however. The bigger girls need a shoe that will support them during their training with good inserts and most inserts are not adequate in new shoes to keep the cost down by as much as $20. Then the kids will not tie the shoes to support the ankle either! I point this out as I have them swing in front of a mirror to show the twisting and torquing of the foot during the swing.
The pitchers toes are out of most their shoes and yet they try and run the stairs etc. Buy a cheaper bat and spread out and budget for all the equipment as for most of you the bat will not make the difference. ACL costs are $35 K to $75K over the life time of the injury plus a parents time off for PT etc for rehab.
Again the sad part is this usually does not happen until they are 18 to 24 years old and in some cases their senior year in high school as they play multiple sports and it happens for example in basketball or sokker and they are out for fast pitch for which they had a scholarship for. And before anyone says it I believe in playing more than one sport!
Thanks Howard
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Howard, that also is great stuff. I am glad I tried again to get a discussion going on this and from what we have here... COACHES it is a problem!
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talk about concidences, I just read an article earlier today that discusses increased knee joint laxities during ovulation
if you are interested here is the link:
http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/37/3/588
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I'm not sure on what site I read something about someone looking at not letting females play a sport during that period of time, because of an increased risk of injury.
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Changing Hormone Levels During the Menstrual Cycle Affect Knee Laxity and Stiffness in Healthy Female Subjects Sang-Kyoon Park, Darren J. Stefanyshyn, Barbara Loitz-Ramage, David A. Hart and Janet L. Ronsky Am J Sports Med 2009 37: 588 originally published online January 27, 2009 DOI: 10.1177/0363546508326713 The online version of this article can be found at: http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/37/3/588
Please review the entire article however I thought this was interesting and copied it in hopes you will review it more.
During sports activities, female athletes tear their anterior
cruciate ligament (ACL) 2 to 8 times more frequently than
their male counterparts,3,30 prompting an important research
question about why such differences might exist. Structural
differences between male and female athletes, such as a
greater Q angle,30 greater patellar tendon?tibia shaft angle,50
and narrower femoral intercondylar notch,60 have been suggested
as anatomical factors that may contribute to an
increased injury rate among women. Different patterns of
movement between male and female athletes may also
account for the varying incidence. For example, female subjects
show excessive pronation with increased tibial rotation
during running,25 and greater knee valgus and less knee
flexion angles during a cutting maneuver and landing.11,15,41,43
Moreover, sex-related differences in joint-loading patterns
exist, with female subjects exhibiting greater knee internal
adduction moments during cutting and landing.11 Isokinetic
strength testing has shown weaker quadriceps and hamstring
muscles in female athletes compared with their male
counterparts, even when data were normalized to subject
mass.31 Also, decreased neuromuscular characteristics, such
as decreased joint proprioception and a delayed muscle
reflex, may cause a diminished protective mechanism to the
external loads.59 It has been speculated that a greater anterior
knee laxity with a quadriceps dominant pattern in
females is likely related to ACL injury risk.31
funsister is a wealth of knowledge and has the medical background to back it up.
Nice having her as resource
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My daughter was an exceptional 1st year cross country runner,had ankle problems and as a slapper-destroyed her speed.Highschool trainer never stopped enforcing milk.Female athletes need calcium way more than the male athletes and they never get enough.
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I have a former player from my travel team that has to do a timed two miles to play. You are still on the team but you don't play until you do it under the allotted time. And this player had surgery before her Senior year and put up All State numbers.
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Myself and speaking for no one else, this sounds like politics within their program...and I would like to avoid it. Find out how they train to get to the point they can run the two miles as that would be more important than why they are running two miles. If the trainer has methods they have used that are valid training techniques it may not be an issue. Foot wear for the task is a must. Her past medical history must have been cleared by a doctor or she should not be playing.
How they are training the girls is the key to this thread because the data supports it is not working and there are better ways to approach it such as the PEP program. Why not run a copy and hand it to the coach
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I have never thought running distance was a good idea for speed sports. All they are doing is training the slow twitch muscles for a sport that requires fast twitch muscle training. Running wind sprints from the first base line to the line between 2nd base and 3rd base 20 times is MUCH better training for softball players. I have watched drills in college where they run 1st to third, and then 3rd to home for a half hour (@18 kids) and then finish with three to five home to homes. This is a much better way to train the legs for speed and endurance. It is also a much better way to build wind. A lot easier on the knees, legs and feet too.Myself and speaking for no one else, this sounds like politics within their program...and I would like to avoid it. Find out how they train to get to the point they can run the two miles as that would be more important than why they are running two miles. If the trainer has methods they have used that are valid training techniques it may not be an issue. Foot wear for the task is a must. Her past medical history must have been cleared by a doctor or she should not be playing.
How they are training the girls is the key to this thread because the data supports it is not working and there are better ways to approach it such as the PEP program. Why not run a copy and hand it to the coach
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I too don't believe in long distance running for softball. I've coached girls for over 20 yrs and personally I don't care if you can run a 7 min mile, I want to know if you can play softball, then I'll train you. I would like to hear from someone that runs distance for training to hear why? maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so. As you read some of the articles on here you might change your mind.
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At the college level the coaches I know make it a team goal to be able to train together to get there. I will leave out the school name...bigger girl and she is a pitcher, they do weigh ins, BMI, nutrition when they report to school to help them get in shape and do the PEP program. The team goal is to run a mile in under 8 minutes. I was there when they were doing this and the big girl was struggling and without anyone saying anything the girls stationed them self along her final lap and ran with her encouraging her that she was making it and not to give up! In the future if the team is struggling I bet they relive the moment and we can do it will ring out!
The girls are at a higher risk without supplying the proper training and the data proves it and still many choose to ignore it until their daughter gets hurt and usually that is too late. I work with a lot of kids and my wife is a nurse and we give her still in good condition shoes to our kids who can not afford high quality shoes. The parents who can afford new stuff give their old stuff to me so we can pass it around to those who need it.
The PEP program is free to copy...copy and give it to a coach, trainer or AD and maybe you could make a difference.
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Hitter, it sounds to me like you use it to build team unity and I like that, we do the samething but with with shorter rep drills and tell the girls don't leave a teammate behind.
I also like your pass it down concept.
I also like your pass it down concept.
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I also was reading about weigh in and weigh out. It said for every pound lost you need to drink 20 oz. of water.
Do you do this? Have you ever read anything like that and if so is this the amount you drink?
Do you do this? Have you ever read anything like that and if so is this the amount you drink?
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"I have a former player from my travel team that has to do a timed two miles to play. You are still on the team but you don't play until you do it under the allotted time. And this player had surgery before her Senior year and put up All State numbers."
Does this coach do Geico commercials? matt81 pm me. Thanks
Does this coach do Geico commercials? matt81 pm me. Thanks
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I will clear that with her and /or her dad. This player will not quit she loves the game. I witnessed her put up State Record Book numbers her junior year with the badly damaged right ankle before the surgery and her senior year numbers during her recovery period were amazing. 20 wins and over 300k's .384 average 4HR 18 runs scored and 18 rbi's. She holds all her school's pitching records. And she had a good fall with her college team. Her coach would be nuts not to use her. After all the coach does not bat her anyway. Or any of the pitchers. Makes one wonder what the three hour tryout was for if the coach isn't happy with the teams conditioning. The coach chose them based on that workout
I will clear that with her and /or her dad. This player will not quit she loves the game. I witnessed her put up State Record Book numbers her junior year with the badly damaged right ankle before the surgery and her senior year numbers during her recovery period were amazing. 20 wins and over 300k's .384 average 4HR 18 runs scored and 18 rbi's. She holds all her school's pitching records. And she had a good fall with her college team. Her coach would be nuts not to use her. After all the coach does not bat her anyway. Or any of the pitchers. Makes one wonder what the three hour tryout was for if the coach isn't happy with the teams conditioning. The coach chose them based on that workout
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Just because a person wears the label "college coach" does not make them an expert in any way. There are college coaches who are VERY knowledgable in most all aspects of the game and training. However there are coaches who are not. They sometimes tend to be old school in their approach, as in distance running, nutrition etc. Being able to run a 7 minutes mile means just that, you can run 7 minute mile. It does not mean you are faster from home to first, and it will not help a catcher squat for 3 games in a row, and it will not help that outfielder get a better jump on the ball. Being able to run a 7 minute mile is not going to keep a kid who is sprinting from first to home on a gap shot from getting tired. Why? Because sprinting and running distance are not only using the legs differently, but the lungs (oxegen transfer) differently as well. Leave the distance training to the distance athletes on the track team, and be more sports specific in your training of softball players. By the way, interval training is a much more effective way to lose weight, if that is a goal for a kid.
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All true. The most disturbing part to me is the trainer told her she sees a lot of leg injuries and the coach just blows the trainer off. I think this is more of a problem handled by the AD. What I think or anyone else doesn't matter. The guy signing the check will have to deal with this if it changes at all.Sad part this school is already dealing with a huge PR problem and lawsuit.
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Stay on course with the thread and get a copy of the PEP program in the hands of the coach, trainer and AD and educate them.
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The doctor who did this surgery assisted to fix Odom's knee. And his knee cap split but the cartilage held.He is one of three orthopedic surgeons who do this surgery in the state of Ohio. Her coach told her to go back to him and tell him to fix it. The doctor wrote a letter back stating he fixed it to play softball not cross country. He did another MRI and stated in his letter she could do running on turf ,grass ,hardwood floors and treadmills. NOT CONCRETE SIDEWALKS. So the coach's response was comments about her shape, her weight and you won't play unless you can do the timed two mile run. She is 5'8" 162.And solid and strong.
I have said enough she probably will get retaliated against. But if she does I will pay her legal bills to sue. And I have real deep pockets.I am glad this site and this thread brought it to my attention.
I have said enough she probably will get retaliated against. But if she does I will pay her legal bills to sue. And I have real deep pockets.I am glad this site and this thread brought it to my attention.
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